Caporegime
When we actually have the funds yes.
Now is not the correct time to be flaunting money in to things like this
why all the hate for hs2?
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When we actually have the funds yes.
Now is not the correct time to be flaunting money in to things like this
£30Bn to save an hour? Really?
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Assuming it doesn't go over budget/time (which it inevitability will)
would have preferred it going along a different route, following the east and west cost mainlines seem the logical choice due to covering both spines of the country and connecting two of the capitals then a birmingham-london HS3 added later if costs allow.
i support the dedication to investing on infrastructure but i havent seen what else that 32bn could have got us in the railways in regards to increased capacity and updating lines (electrifying etc)
i support the dedication to investing on infrastructure but i havent seen what else that 32bn could have got us in the railways in regards to increased capacity and updating lines (electrifying etc)
half a hour for every person who gets on the train, an hour for a round trip and presuming people get HS2 instead of slower trains it frees up rooms on alternate routes.
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This could have been done probably for the cost of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.
What a waste.
What a waste.
Exactly, it's going through TONS of country side, you city dwellers might not understand this, but driving around and seeing some greenery is a nice thing...We don't particulary want a train next to us 24/7
I grew up in a small village, so I know both sides and well sod country side and nimbys for the benefit of the country. Should just railroad it through
If we don't push projects through and ignore people, well never get anywhere.
Person 1: "We never do anything anymore, there's no Great in Great Britain, waaaaah!"
Person 1 after infrastructure projects are announced: "But this will cost ME in house value, make someone else pay for it! WAAAH!"
And so the cycle continues.
Person 1 after infrastructure projects are announced: "But this will cost ME in house value, make someone else pay for it! WAAAH!"
And so the cycle continues.
It's exactly the time, things are cheap, people out of work. This is exactly the time we should be spending on large infrastructure projects. We have enough waste we can cut elsewhere.
What's really stuffed us is in the boom years we never paid of debt or invested properly.
Currently though, with the Birmingham to London train routes, you've essentially got two options, on the existing West Coast Mainline.
Either you take the London Midland service, which thousand of commuters do (as I myself used to), it has some trains from Birmingham that only stop at a few stations on the way to Euston, but also those which stop at every station.
Otherwise, if you want to get there quicker and can afford to pay more on your daily commute you can travel by Virgin Trains into Euston.
Now, with this new HS2 service, it's going to be priced higher than the Virgin service, as it's even quicker. Therefore, only those who earn a very high wage can afford to use it as their daily commuter, which is why you can see where the comments about it being a train for the very 'rich' come from.
What will the knock on effect be?
Well if some of the Virgin passengers move to the HS2, then that will free up some space on the Virgin trains. However, Virgin is unlikely to want to drop their prices, which is the only way they are going to be able to get people using the London Midland service, which is by no means cheap as it is, to switch to them.
If anything it could just mean even more people commuting into London, so it's not doing much for capacity and rush hour overcrowding.
It's always a good time to invest in transport, it will more than pay for itself over the decades following its' inauguration.
so does every major trainline? 3 major lines go through the lake district, yorkshire moors/dales, along the beautiful coastline to edinburgh. hell the Carlisle to settle route is famous for the countryside it goes through.Exactly, it's going through TONS of country side, you city dwellers might not understand this, but driving around and seeing some greenery is a nice thing...We don't particulary want a train next to us 24/7
nevermind half the southeast is roads and trainlines anyway. how do you think london is connected to the country?
virgin prices are affordable (mainly with railcards etc) however. hs2 may be out of a majority of peoples reach but those that can will. if HS2 doesnt attract enough customers they will have to drop the prices, that said i believe HS1 gets plenty of use.
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You realise you are talking about train lines, which began being built as far back as 1830?
Britain was a very different place back then, it wasn't anything as Urban as it is today, we had far more countryside back then.
The HS2 will cut right through the Chilterns, which is an area of outstanding natural beauty and one of the few areas of the South which hasn't been spoiled. It's designated Green Belt land, the whole point of which is to save such land from being built on. Ultimately, if the government do allow Green Belt land to be built on, what's the point in it anymore?
There's to many people using the train service with current capacity.
We need increased capacity. Especially as we can do less and less maintaince while trains are running, thanks to H&S
Large amounts of the Chilterns section will be tunnelled.
What do the demand/capacity projections look like over the next 10 years on the current infrastructure?
Caporegime
Yes. They're spending £30Bn so that a single train journey for a single commuter is an hour quicker. After that, it's back to slow trains again.
Even more of a waste than I thought, then.
Railcards aren't really applicable to anyone other than students, young persons and pensioners, so the vast majority of people commuting into London will be buying a monthly, quarterly or yearly ticket.
I only did half the Birmingham to Euston route on London Midland, and that used to cost me £3600 a year. Bare in mind that is now a few years back, so with inflation, and the actual full route, you can see how much Virgin charge and how much more the HS2 will be.