why all the hate for hs2?

Glaucus said:
There's to many people using the train service with current capacity.
We need increased capacity. Especially as we can do less and less maintaince while trains are running, thanks to H&S
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increased capacity on ONE line? lol - yes thats really going to solve the UKs train problem isnt it. well worth the 30BN that do that ONE route isnt it?

and people saying its good for buisness....really? By the time the project has started and construction is being done I very much doubt that the UK economy would even see half of the cash with the rest being outsourced to Europe

The whole project is built on this dream that people will stop driving and flying and jump on board 'the merry fast train' whilst being charged significantly more for the hassle.

the train itself is ****ing old tech aswell - thats really paving the future.
 
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iamtheoneneo said:
increased capacity on ONE line? lol - yes thats really going to solve the UKs train problem isnt it. well worth the 30BN that do that ONE route isnt it?

and people saying its good for buisness....really? By the time the project has started and construction is being done I very much doubt that the UK economy would even see half of the cash with the rest being outsourced to Europe
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One line that spans the country, on some of the most congested routes. Yes it will help a lot.
And since when did one project ever solve the country. Never has never will.
 
Glaucus said:
One line that spans the country, on some of the most congested routes. Yes it will help a lot.
And since when did one project ever solve the country. Never has never will.
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yep bc that one train every 30mins isnt going to be crowded at all.
such a waste of money id actually be surprised if this gets approved in 2014.
 
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tgomas said:
I don't know a great deal about the project, from my limited knowledge it seems foolish to spend the next 14 years (or whatever it is) installing last generation railway when other parts of the world are already running Maglevs.
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Maglev costs more and is incompatible with existing infrastructure in this country and on the continent. If it was used, trains from Glasgow, etc, wouldn't be able to join the line at its northern end.

HS2 isn't meant to be a wondertrain. It's a practical solution to a capacity problem on the WCML, which is expected to be completely full by 2025 despite its upgrade.

Fusion said:
I am for the project as any large scale transport investment is a good thing. However, one can't help but think where else in transport that £32bn could be spent. The M6 Toll Motorway (finished in 2003) cost £485m and is 27 miles long, meaning a rough cost of £18 million/mile. Call it £20 million. That's 1,600 miles of new Motorway for £32bn.
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The last thing this country needs is more motorways. Demand expands to fill capacity, which is why they curtailed the construction of motorways in the 80s.
 
TJM said:
The last thing this country needs is more motorways. Demand expands to fill capacity, which is why they curtailed the construction of motorways in the 80s.
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I believe construction curtailed as it became increasingly more difficult to push developments through- there were huge protests over the construction of the Newbury Bypass in the 90's for instance, which is only a few miles long.

Politicians give up as progress becomes too much like hard work.
 
Fusion said:
Politicians give up as progress becomes too much like hard work.
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Thankfully condems seem to be ignoring such stupid people.
The buid,Img regulations if gpit gets passed go the other way and will be virtually impossible to stop buildings. Which frankly is just what we need. To many people they own more than their small plot of land and can dictate about a few mile radius of their house.
 
Glaucus said:
Thankfully condems seem to be ignoring such stupid people.
The buid,Img regulations if gpit gets passed go the other way and will be virtually impossible to stop buildings. Which frankly is just what we need. To many people they own more than their small plot of land and can dictate about a few mile radius of their house.
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I can imagine you'd feel differently if they were proposing demolishing your house.
 
Basher said:
I can imagine you'd feel differently if they were proposing demolishing your house.
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Rubbish happens, you can't or at least shouldn't be able to hold the country to ransom, it's not as if you don't get compensated. It's a necessity and people should have to live with it. Including me, if it came to it.
 
Glaucus said:
There's to many people using the train service with current capacity.
We need increased capacity. Especially as we can do less and less maintaince while trains are running, thanks to H&S
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Aye tell me about it,have hardly done any old red zone working for a few years now,possession times on nights on busy routes you get a couple of hours to do a days work.:eek:
I really dont see the problem on cutting the through the country side,you will have deep cuttings,tunnels etc.
These sort of big projects create jobs,skilled workers,good for industry.
 
Glaucus said:
Rubbish happens, you can't or at least shouldn't be able to hold the country to ransom, it's not as if you don't get compensated. It's a necessity and people should have to live with it. Including me, if it came to it.
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Really? So you'd be happy if the government came along tomorrow with a bright new idea that involved taking down your house in exchange for compensation of a fraction of the market value?

Who's the idiot?
 
Basher said:
Really? So you'd be happy if the government came along tomorrow with a bright new idea that involved taking down your house in exchange for compensation of a fraction of the market value?

Who's the idiot?
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Happy of course not.
But I don't think I should have rights to block big projects for those reasons.

You? For wanting to cripple the country. That's what's going to happen if every big project get blocked.
 
Glaucus said:
Happy of course not.
But I don't think I should have rights to block big projects for those reasons.

You? For wanting to cripple the country. That's what's going to happen if every big project get blocked.
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I should have the rights to not sell my property for less than market value. If I was offered that, it would be much less of an issue.
 
Basher said:
I should have the rights to not sell my property for less than market value. If I was offered that, it would be much less of an issue.
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You do

Under the law, an authority compulsorily purchasing your home is obliged to pay you no more than market value, plus a small grant for the upheaval caused. And market value means whatever your house would have been worth had the development never been proposed, not its "ransom value".
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And
http://www.communities.gov.uk/documents/planningandbuilding/pdf/147648.pdf

See section 2
 
I'm 50/50 about this. It's good to see money being put into improving the rail infrastructure in the UK but I feel it could be better spent elsewhere.

As for where to put it, well any large scale project is always going to upset somebody. That's just the way it is. I feel for those who will suffer hassle and expense as a result of this but if the UK does indeed want to upgrade things like this it's a necessary evil.
 
Basher said:
You realise your quote doesn't say you'll get market value, right?

Also, lots of 'shoulds' in that document ...
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You won't be worse of, you mad eup republish to support your view. The official documentation states what you are entitled to and that market rate.
 
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