Why are there so many Turks in N. London?

Solari said:
It just irks me that so many people coming over to Britain now have no clue how things work here. Lots of them have no concept of queuing, manners, saying "please", "thank you" and the like. Lack of will to integrate/ignorance I suppose. Mind you, the chavs are just as bad...
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I agree with that. People have to remember that multiculturalism only works if immigrants are prepared to integrate. They are free to maintain their own culture, provided that (a) they respect the laws of the land, (b) they respect the cultures of other people, and (c) they integrate with the predominant culture of the nation in which they now find themselves.

Britain's current problem stems from (a) decades of largely unrestricted immigration, (b) immigrants refusing to integrate, and (c) immigrants refusing to respect Britain's own laws and culture.

I am pleased that Britain's immigration system is improving. However, it frustrates me that the UK is virtually obliged to accept anyone with an EU passport. What she needs to do is tighten up her controls on EU citizens as well.

I am not sure how effectively this can be done without breaching her current EU immigration obligations, but it's worth a try. This tiny little country cannot afford to be taking in people at her current rate; it's simply unsustainable.

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scorza said:
Just curious like. Visited my sister's today who lives in Stoke Newington and realised that by far the biggest ethnic group that lives there are Turks. I mean, it's clear why there are so many black, Pakistani and Indian immigrants cos of the empire etc - but Turkey was never in the empire, and historically we've had few close ties with them, even fought against 'em in 2 world wars. Turkey ain't part of the EU either, and I think there were loads of Turks in North London before the EU was conceived, so why the mass migration here?

Just to be clear, I'm not having a pop at immigrants here, just curious as to why they decided to come here?
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A large number of Turks came to the UK when life in Cyprus became too dangerous for them in the aftermath of WWI. Since Cyprus was still a British colony in those days, the Turks would have been allowed to enter the country as British subjects (if not actually citizens).

Most of the current wave of Turks are economic migrants. Germany has a high Turkish population, so I suspect a lot of the Turks now coming into Britain have German citizenship and therefore EU passports.
 
Evangelion said:
Let's be honest - they're not.


White - 5,209,900 - 69.4% (White British 58.0%; White Irish 2.5%; Other White 8.9%)
Mixed - 259,800 - 3.5%
South Asian - 982,600 - 13.1%
Black - 803,700 - 10.7%
East Asian or Other - 256,300 - 3.4%
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Source.
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Lets be honest British is not always English.... I would like to see how much of that 58% is english/born in london.

HarryPainful said:
What..?!

How ignorant can 1 person be...

"English" people are not ALL white you know...
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How ignorant can you be? Have I said any thing about colour? I said English, did you know eastern europeans are white aswell? so you've seen my user name is millwall and you think im talking about colour, well it just shows how stereotypical and ignorant you are yourself.
 
Millwall.FC said:
Lets be honest British is not always English.... I would like to see how much of that 58% is english/born in london.
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why?

And it's still going to be the largest %.

Or do you really think 50%+ of Londons population i from scotland/wales :/
 
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Tefal said:
why?

And it's still going to be the largest %.

Or do you really think 50%+ of Londons population i from scotland/wales :/
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I would say arround 5-10% (estimate) would be from scotland, wales and n.ireland and so that knocks the percentage down even more, all im getting at is london is losing its identity.
 
Millwall.FC said:
I would say arround 5-10% (estimate) would be from scotland, wales and n.ireland and so that knocks the percentage down even more, all im getting at is london is losing its identity.
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that still leaves white english as the largest portion by a significant margin. and thats not including the black/mixed race English.

Not the "smallest by far".

And London has always had Scottish and Welsh people there, heck it's always been international/mixed race etc. one of the results of having an empire.
 
Tefal said:
that still leaves white english as the largest portion by a significant margin. and thats not including the black/mixed race English.

Not the "smallest by far".

And London has always had Scottish and Welsh people there, heck it's always been international/mixed race etc. one of the results of having an empire.
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Imigration is not a bad thing, but when it gets to the point that it starts to erode the native culture I would say that is a problem wouldent you?

Evangelion said:
Does it matter? What difference would that make?

They'll either be Irish, Welsh or Scots, so who really cares?
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Its not going to be some one from the leafy suburbs of west midlands is it?
 
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Millwall.FC said:
Imigration is not a bad thing, but when it gets to the point that it starts to erode the native culture I would say that is a problem wouldent you?
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err what culture?:confused:

So far we've gone from your original statement


"english poeple are the smallest ethnic group in london by far."

to

"they are the largest ethnic group by far"

to

"but but but THE CULTURE1!!!ONE!!1"
 
Tefal said:
err what culture?:confused:

So far we've gone from your original statement


"english poeple are the smallest ethnic group in london by far."

to

"they are the largest ethnic group by far"

to

"but but but THE CULTURE1!!!ONE!!1"
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yes exactly what culture its gone from excessive imigration...

no we've gone from me making a point , to you looking for an argument. I havent the time to argue with children.
 
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I will give three jumbo-sized internets to anyone who can prove that London has somehow "lost its culture" due to excessive immigration.

I agree that the UK as a whole, is suffering from excessive immigration. However, I do not believe that London has lost its "culture" or "identity" as a result of this immigration.

So far, people keep making this claim without even defining the terms "culture" and "identity"; nor has anyone actually posted any evidence to prove their claim.

I call shenanigans.
 
Meridian said:
Aren't most of them Kurds rather than Turks? And if you think there's no difference, try calling a Kurd a Turk.
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Where I was there were a few Kurdish buildings, but the vast majority of premises advertised themselves as Turkish (Kebabs, Cafe's etc) - there was even a Besiktas social club. So I think I'm safe in assuming they were Turks :p

Cheers Evange - makes sense about them coming over from Cyprus.
 
Evangelion said:
I will give three jumbo-sized internets to anyone who can prove that London has somehow "lost its culture" due to excessive immigration.

I call shenanigans.
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You lot stole it!:mad:


bloody convict immigrants.

Yes i know you're not from that part of the prison, sorry country
 
There are a lot of turks here too...

Here it's because in the 60's we needed laborers and brought cheap laborers from mainly turkey and morocco ( and the Dutch Antilles & surinam)...
 
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Solari said:
I have spent some time in Aus already so am aware of this, and have no problem with it at all (well I wouldn't being a pom!). Immigration is fine as long as it's controlled, and the people that come in want to make a positive contribution to society. Hot asian chicks are never a bad thing, either ;)

It just irks me that so many people coming over to Britain now have no clue how things work here. Lots of them have no concept of queuing, manners, saying "please", "thank you" and the like. Lack of will to integrate/ignorance I suppose. Mind you, the chavs are just as bad...
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I honestly don't know where to start with everything you've posted in this thread, but you're making massive sweeping generalisations, being incredibly hypocritical and a bit of a "racist grandma" type for want of a better explanation.

I'd like to point out the many things you've said that are completely ridiculous, but like I said, I dunno where to start.
 
Yep, they are many because Turkey is ****. We might see it differently,going somewhere on a holiday by the Med coast and the Turkish would never say otherwise but its still ****. In fact on the latter point, they got some law framework that could arrest people over there for "insulting Turkishness". You basically have a modest part of its population following European-alike lifestyle and the rest is not much different from the other Middle Eastern people i.e. living remotely, poorly educated and highly religious.

Im quite surprised to hear that they would be far more in north London but I acknowledge that they are quite a few. Nevertheless, we should actually be happy that our government must have done something right to integrate them, having in mind the kind of Turkish migrants I saw in Holland and Germany. Those guys there look like the worst of the worst, living in their own ghettos and many of them not learning the local language even as 2nd or 3rd generation migrants.
 
Certain people in this thread are forgetting that London's original culture was Roman, and its first language Latin.

If anything, it's the English who have changed London's culture by taking it over as the dominant ethnic group and removing all traces of its original identity.
 
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