Why do I hate apple?

yantorsen · 13 Oct 2007 at 02:04

easyrider said:
It was a joke.

yeah i know but i just felt like saying that anyway

easyrider · 13 Oct 2007 at 02:04

Jet said:
For 95% of users a Mac does more. Pro tools? I don't even know what that is.

Most users don't use programs like that. My Mac does everything my PC does (except the framerate on games) and also does a lot more.

It's a lot quieter (almost silent in fact), is more powerful, looks 10 times better, takes up less space, has better residual value, causes me less problems, came with more software, etc, etc.

I don't have a problem with Windows. I don't find it bad at all. I never had the OS crash but I did have to do fairly regular re-formats.

Edit: read about Pro Tools now. Tried Logic Pro?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famous_Logic_users

Jet:

My PC is silent under water and performs 5 times faster than any mac in existence

yantorsen · 13 Oct 2007 at 02:06

Panzerbjorn said:
But can you? I'm about to get a Macbook Pro which is a high-end performance Mac. It's going to have a Core2Duo processor, 4GB of RAM etc etc etc...

With a student discount it's going to cost £2k. Every time I've upgraded my PC it's been about £2k (admittedly I've not bought a high-end Laptop before but I assume it's going to be more expensive for the same spec Laptop than desktop).

So how much faster is the PC laptop that costs £2k going to be than my MBP? Especially with the software I'll be using, Adobe Creative suite, Logic 8 etc etc...

Panzer

2k on a laptop, I'd be afraid to take it out the house.

easyrider · 13 Oct 2007 at 02:07

yantorsen said:
yeah i know but i just felt like saying that anyway

For a minute there I thought you didnt have a sense of humour?

BTW you a mac user?

RuMp3l4$k1n · 13 Oct 2007 at 02:07

A mac a like having stabilizers on your bike, a PC will let your crash it because its gonna have a damn good go at whatever you ask of it. A mac would just make an irritating noise at you and not even try.
Having said that Iv'e only crashed this PC from the OS once and that was because a virus slipped through my checker.

I live with a proper Macboy who checks the apple gossip forums and gets hard about new apple products and tbh he is a nice guy when we aren't talking about his sodding powermac. When he does that its a different matter.

badbob · 13 Oct 2007 at 02:07

2K can buy you a laptop with a 20" 1680x1050 screen, 2GB ram (probably 4 now) 2x120GB hard drives and a fast gaming videocard.

yantorsen · 13 Oct 2007 at 02:08

Jet said:
For 95% of users a Mac does more. Pro tools? I don't even know what that is.

Most users don't use programs like that. My Mac does everything my PC does (except the framerate on games) and also does a lot more.

It's a lot quieter (almost silent in fact), is more powerful, looks 10 times better, takes up less space, has better residual value, causes me less problems, came with more software, etc, etc.

I don't have a problem with Windows. I don't find it bad at all. I never had the OS crash but I did have to do fairly regular re-formats.

Edit: read about Pro Tools now. Tried Logic Pro?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famous_Logic_users

in what way?

so?

not really compared to a modern tft and tower, it might save you like 10cm of space, but so what?

yantorsen · 13 Oct 2007 at 02:19

easyrider said:
For a minute there I thought you didnt have a sense of humour?

BTW you a mac user?

i don't own one, but i use them at school, and my sister is obsessed with em.

Irish_Tom · 13 Oct 2007 at 02:23

badbob said:
2K can buy you a laptop with a 20" 1680x1050 screen, 2GB ram (probably 4 now) 2x120GB hard drives and a fast gaming videocard.

Sounds about on par then, of course the one I'm ordering will be 1920x1200 ok, it's only 17" but 20" is a bit overkill for carrying around, and I have a 24" desktop monitor...

I doubt there would be any real noticeable difference in performance for the majority of apps. I sure do like OSX though.

Panzer

Margaret · 13 Oct 2007 at 02:25

easyrider said:
Is it just me ?

Mac just sends shivers up me.

even though I studied them at degree level for 3 yrs.

I still hate them.

A PC video editor does not have the same BS as a mac editor and I have met many.

Both get the the final goal.But the mac user tends to be more full of BS.

Thoughts

The Macs I use are TERRIBLE. They constantly take ages to load up stuff on Premiere and are even slower than the crap PC's we used at School.

I'd rather not pay for some overpriced Mac, I'd much rather get a PC with Quad Core, 8800GTX and 4GB Ram for under £1000, which is cheaper than the cheapest Mac which only has 1.8 Ghz Core2Duo and a X1300 ATi or something crap.

My PC hasn't crashed since April, which is the time I installed Vista for the first time. Eat that Apple, I forgot PC's are very bloated and unstable.

yantorsen · 13 Oct 2007 at 02:26

Jihad said:
The Macs I use are TERRIBLE. They constantly take ages to load up stuff on Premiere and are even slower than the crap PC's we used at School.

I'd rather not pay for some overpriced Mac, I'd much rather get a PC with Quad Core, 8800GTX and 4GB Ram for under £1000, which is cheaper than the cheapest Mac which only has 1.8 Ghz Core2Duo and a X1300 ATi or something crap.

exactly my point.

waxapple · 13 Oct 2007 at 02:33

easyrider said:
Is it just me ?

Mac just sends shivers up me.

even though I studied them at degree level for 3 yrs.

I still hate them.

A PC video editor does not have the same BS as a mac editor and I have met many.

Both get the the final goal.But the mac user tends to be more full of BS.

Thoughts

You're asking why you hate them?

Maybe you're stereotyping?

*shrug - I'm not a mac owner or user btw*

Jet · 13 Oct 2007 at 02:33

yantorsen said:
in what way?

I mean as well as the quiet, space saving, it is more powerful than my Windows PC and they were similarly priced.

so?

You can't tell me that isn't a major factor for the majority of consumers. It wouldn't be my only reason for choosing a computer but it's good to have. Just look in the case forum for proof that looks are a factor in many people's purchases.

not really compared to a modern tft and tower, it might save you like 10cm of space, but so what?

My iMac takes up the about the same amount of space as a 20" TFT. It's a lot smaller than my tower. Again, it may not be a problem for you but not everyone has loads of space. For me it means I don't have a tower blocking my feet. Surely most PC users would be using Coolermaster stackers or something for their expandability and efficient cooling. Why is there a whole forum for SFF? Space can be important for people.

yantorsen · 13 Oct 2007 at 02:36

Jet said:
My iMac takes up the about the same amount of space as a 20" TFT. It's a lot smaller than my tower. Again, it may not be a problem for you but not everyone has loads of space. For me it means I don't have a tower blocking my feet. Surely most PC users would be using Coolermaster stackers or something for their expandability and efficient cooling. Why is there a whole forum for SFF? Space can be important for people.

yeah i know, but it's not worth £££s.

badbob · 13 Oct 2007 at 02:36

Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo T7200 - 2GHz (x2), 667MHz FSB, 4MB L2 Cache
RAM: 2048MB DDR2-667MHz
Hard Drive: 240GB Serial ATA (2x120)
Screen: 20.1" Widescreen TFT (1680x1050 - 16:10)with CrystalBrite Technology
Optical Drive: HD-DVD ROM Drive
Graphics: NVidia GeForce Go7600SE
Wireless LAN: 802.11a/b/g - Call for advice on Wireless Networking
Bluetooth: Bluetooth Enabled
Warranty: 1 Year - Upgradeable to 3 Years!
Operating System: Windows Vista Home Premium
Gigabit Ethernet 10/100/1000
Built-In 1.3 MegaPixel Camera
Digital TV Tuner
Flash Memory Card Reader (MMC, MS, MS-pro, SD, XD)

£1400. Granted GPU isn't top end, but try and get a Apple of identical spec for £1400.

Sirrel Squirrel · 13 Oct 2007 at 02:37

Final Cut Pro is a nice little program and can do broadcast quality stuff, which for the price of about 300 quid is bloody brilliant. But the Mac still can't compete with a PC, which can do anything you want and if you know how to do it you won't have any problems.

Irish_Tom · 13 Oct 2007 at 02:38

yantorsen said:
yeah i know, but it's not worth £££s.

I don't know how you can justify that statement? Why is it not worth the pricetag?

Panzer

Irish_Tom · 13 Oct 2007 at 02:40

The top spec iMac is almost identical to badboy's example it's got a bigger HDD and it's a 24" all built in to a very tidy package. Oh sorry it's £59 more expensive.

Panzer

yantorsen · 13 Oct 2007 at 02:40

Panzerbjorn said:
I don't know how you can justify that statement? Why is it not worth the pricetag?

Panzer

well a gain of 10cm square space is not something I'd be willing to spend a few hundred quid on. that's me personally.

yantorsen · 13 Oct 2007 at 02:42

Panzerbjorn said:
The top spec iMac is almost identical to badboy's example it's got a bigger HDD and it's a 24" all built in to a very tidy package. Oh sorry it's £59 more expensive.

Panzer

yeah but it's not a laptop, spec a laptop for that, i could spec a desktop for much cheaper than that imac.