Why don't they make smaller OLED TVs?

[james.miller]

Like with plasma you will only get screen burn if you abuse the tv, I have had an oled tv for over 5 years now and haven’t seen any IR never mind screenburn. If your tv was on sky news or sky sports news every waking hour then yes your tv would burn in but I would class that as abuse, also there is nothing dark about my oled or any other oled in SDR it hits the same brightness level (200 nits) as my Sony in the bed room and in HDR it can hit 750-800nit highlights

you have a 5 year old OLED that supports HDR? I thought HDR came along in 2016

 

[V F]

Like with plasma you will only get screen burn if you abuse the tv, I have had an oled tv for over 5 years now and haven’t seen any IR never mind screenburn. If your tv was on sky news or sky sports news every waking hour then yes your tv would burn in but I would class that as abuse, also there is nothing dark about my oled or any other oled in SDR it hits the same brightness level (200 nits) as my Sony in the bed room and in HDR it can hit 750-800nit highlights

Indeed. My VT50 hasn't suffered burn in from 2014. Though there is something I prefer of the Plasma over the OLED... Perhaps the organic look that resembles CRT.

I also decided to go for a 55" 1080p LG OLED that was on a flash sale for £745... since the 10 year old 46" Samsung CCFL was on its last legs in the bedroom. I didn't need 4k or HDR but my god this OLED is bright. I had to drop the OLED light down to 65 and 80 contrast as my eyes were starting to water while gaming.

I reckon my unit would take a maximum of 65" for the bedroom but damn, it might be too crazy. Maybe 65" 4k OLED years down the line. That would be awesome for sim racing.


I still cannot get over how powerful some of the console games look on OLED while checking out some levels. The Last of Us Remasterd is quite scary now with these black levels. The texture in the dark is nuts. Quite daunting.

Horizon Zero Dawn feels like viewing 3D without the glasses. Let alone Uncharted 4, it looks like looking through the window on a summers day.

Can't wait to see Tron Legacy Blu-Ray on this. Batman Returns was gorgeous on Sky HD last night.

 

[Psycho Sonny]

the market is so small for them to make a profit they would need to sell a 43" OLED for stupid money. it just doesn't work. nobody would buy them. they would be like £10K each.

Same here, I'd like an OLED but not interested in massive screens. 45" would be perfect. 1080p would be fine.

Someone will cater to the market eventually...until then, no new TV.

buy a plasma - same thing

 

[the wopster]

you have a 5 year old OLED that supports HDR? I thought HDR came along in 2016

No I have bought an new oled every year then the previous year goes into the bedroom

 

[spoffle]

I have a 65B6 OLED and could easily stick a 77" in my house

Cost prohibitive though - If you are buying new, then £5000 extra for another 12 inches. I can't be spending that.

2019 will be a good year for OLED IMO, as they will have HDMI 2.1 and therefore 4k/120hz

I've got a 75" TV in my living room. It's "big" but I could easily go bigger without it looking stupid.

My living room isn't even particular big, it's about 4m x 3.5m. I think an 85" would be maximum without it being ridiculous.

 

[james.miller]

No I have bought an new oled every year then the previous year goes into the bedroom

Ooh. Totally didn't get that from your post

 

[the wopster]

Ooh. Totally didn't get that from your post

Yeah it wasn’t well written

 

[mid_gen]

the market is so small for them to make a profit they would need to sell a 43" OLED for stupid money. it just doesn't work. nobody would buy them. they would be like £10K each.

buy a plasma - same thing

OLED will get there. It'll make its way down the size range to cater to monitors.

I can wait.

 

[Psycho Sonny]

OLED will get there. It'll make its way down the size range to cater to monitors.

I can wait.

i don't think it will.

there is no market for it.

you have to remember currently OLED is and always will be a niche market due to cost.

i don't know a single person who owns an OLED in real life. i also happen to know 2 people who have spent the best part of 5K on tv's in the past couple of years too. neither of them have OLED in their homes.

OLED's will never ever cater to the small tv market IMO.

 

[spoffle]

i don't think it will.

there is no market for it.

you have to remember currently OLED is and always will be a niche market due to cost.

i don't know a single person who owns an OLED in real life. i also happen to know 2 people who have spent the best part of 5K on tv's in the past couple of years too. neither of them have OLED in their homes.

OLED's will never ever cater to the small tv market IMO.

You're living up to your reputation I see! At some point, it will. It's a technology that is superior to LCD, and unlike plasma that was also superior to LCD, it doesn't have the issues of bulk, power consumption and heat output. Which is why LCD became the standard.

There's literally no reason it won't take over LCD at some point. The price of IPS displays have come down, refresh rate has gone up and more people are now buying IPS monitors for gaming instead of TN.

 

[V F]

You're living up to your reputation I see! At some point, it will. It's a technology that is superior to LCD, and unlike plasma that was also superior to LCD, it doesn't have the issues of bulk, power consumption and heat output. Which is why LCD became the standard.

There's literally no reason it won't take over LCD at some point. The price of IPS displays have come down, refresh rate has gone up and more people are now buying IPS monitors for gaming instead of TN.

I really hope it does. Everyone should benefit from OLED.

 

[the wopster]

i don't think it will.

there is no market for it.

you have to remember currently OLED is and always will be a niche market due to cost.

i don't know a single person who owns an OLED in real life. i also happen to know 2 people who have spent the best part of 5K on tv's in the past couple of years too. neither of them have OLED in their homes.

OLED's will never ever cater to the small tv market IMO.

It’s not a niche market any more and come Black Friday this year you will see for the first time a 65” OLED at £1800 and below and 55” under £1000. Once the new fab comes on line in 2020 you will most likely see smaller size oleds come to market. Once you by an oled you will never go back to a crappy LCD tv.

 

[jpaul]

it's about 4m x 3.5m. I think an 85" would be maximum without it being ridiculous.

thx suggest 60degree viewing angle so you could go bigger ?

it doesn't have the issues of bulk, power consumption and heat output

lol - if you removed the abl power limit from oled it would be ~800W i don't know what a led fald dx902 is in comparision

 

[the wopster]

thx suggest 60degree viewing angle so you could go bigger ?


lol - if you removed the abl power limit from oled it would be ~800W i don't know what a led fald dx902 is in comparision

I don’t know where you got your information from but without abl the max power draw would be no more than 400w, FYI my calibrated 65C8 max brightness full white screen was measured at 302cd/m2 and drew 169w from the wall when my calibrator measured it.

 

[the wopster]

People underestimate what true black really does to picture quality and the amount of depth it brings to a picture

 

[spoffle]

thx suggest 60degree viewing angle so you could go bigger ?


lol - if you removed the abl power limit from oled it would be ~800W i don't know what a led fald dx902 is in comparision

thx suggest 60degree viewing angle so you could go bigger ?

The opinion of THX doesn't factor into my thoughts. I'm talking available wall space as I have floor standing speakers and lamps either side of my TV.

 

[V F]

People underestimate what true black really does to picture quality and the amount of depth it brings to a picture

The pucks can't register it since there is no light. I always imagined that, having the tv off then a logo appears. It must be amazing and it is. The contrast/depth in Horizon Zero Dawn is amazing with it. White glowing sparks and lights feels like 3D spheres.

Laser sights is another thing that is amazing in dark games. Relative low red against black feels like those true laser sights.


It was a bit freaky at first as it made everything feel overly saturated from being used to LCD. Going back to LCD looks so flat with real black.

The contrast depth seems to also make the textures and everything sharper I've found.

If only this video could really demonstrate it.

 

[jpaul]

the samsung counterpoint was

In South Korea, 46.8 percent said they watch in a bright environment, while 32 percent said they dim the lights, and 21.2 percent said they turn off the lights. In the US, this was 16.4 percent, 49.6 percent, and 34 percent, respectively. In Germany, it was 17.2 percent, 56.8 percent, and 26 percent; in Mexico it was 16.8 percent, 41.6 percent, and 41.6 percent; and in Vietnam, it was 46 percent, 46.8 percent, and 7.2 percent.

Overall, Samsung found that more than two-thirds of regular consumers globally watch with the lights on or dimmed, but never completely off.

Only when the lights are completely off does OLED's black standout, and therefore, the company argues, the advantage is really minimal. The US' IES (Illuminating Engineering Society) and Germany's DIN (German Institute of Standardization) recommend living-room lighting of between 50 to 100 lux. Korea Standards Association suggests 150 to 300 lux.

 

[the wopster]

the samsung counterpoint was

And they only have that counterpoint because they couldn’t get large screen oled to work in sufficient yields, which is why they are working on microLED, I have had Samsung’s Q9FN side by side with the C8 and the Samsung still can’t give the pop of an oled in a brightroom. This is taken from Flatpanels review of the Q9FN remember brightness isn’t the be all and end all even in a brighter room it’s dynamic range that’s the key
“If we start from the top by focusing on HDR first, Q9FN delivers quite extreme brightness. Depending on how large or small the object is on the screen, it hits upwards of 1500 nits peak brightness after calibration (Movie mode), which is about 100 nits more than a calibrated Sony Z9D. It is very bright and you have to take care when opening a screen menu in HDR mode – at least when watching TV in the evening. It is like starring intensely into a lamp with your eye pupils wide open. With an ANSI pattern (a white/black checkboard pattern), which tests a TV’s ability to reproduce peak brightness while also preserving the black tones, Q9FN hits 800 nits peak brightness – slightly below the LG C8 OLED.”
https://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.php?subaction=showfull&id=1525936564

So Samsung’s best and brightest ever tv still couldn’t get as bright as an OLED when there is some black on the screen also

 

[Psycho Sonny]

Samsung don't even make oled at all.

Seriously you are delusional if you think oled will overtake lcd.

99% of people don't care about picture quality.

I know people who have spent £3k on a single TV (lcd) and their main usage is sky q and Netflix. Not 4k blu rays.

If 1000 people walk into John Lewis and see a 55 inch lcd for £600 and a 55 inch oled for £1200 I know what 999 of them will buy.

There is a reason why hisense is growing.

This is a tech forum full of sweaty nerds. They aren't what makes up the masses.

I'd love oled to become mainstream. I bought several high end plasmas. However nobody else that I know did.

Same thing right now with oled. Nobody I know owns one. Even people living in £800k homes. None of them have oleds