Why is 10 Gb Ethernet still so expensive?

Quartz said:
If it were cheap there would be demand.
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Unfortunately, like the majority of industries, that's not how it works - R&D (you try and cover that as soon as) and manufacturing costs dictate a lot of the initial cost in a product.
But as a few people have mentioned, increase in demand reduces the overall price. Also this in turn (generally) reduces manufacturing costs which further adds to the reduction of cost.

This is the typical case for all new technology.

Either way, i'm unsure why this merry-go-round is still going on :confused:
 
Prices appear to be moving in the right direction - just picked up 2 of the Asus 10gb cards for £80 each so I'm going to dip my toes in with just a single 10gb connection from my desktop to my server for now and leave the rest of my lan as is.

Going to be another £300 if I want to add my NAS as well as will need to get another NIC and switch - cheaper than it was a year ago - but probably only by 20% so far.
 
You could have done it for under 1/2 of that with SFP+ if you only want two devices and added a switch and card for the NAS at a later date.
 
Yup, SFP is the way ahead. You can get old server cards for less than £40. I've got an Intel X520 in my desktop and that was £33.59 incl postage.
 
Avalon said:
But his imaginary home users needs the 10G for the internetz pointz!.
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I was going to buy the latest Qnap that has 2.5gb X 2 installed.
But then I found out I can buy a TS-832X which has 2 X 10gb lans installed.

So I will be upgrading to 10gb as I hate waiting for file transfers.
And then I can put all my Steam games on the Qnap nas :)
 
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deuse said:
Thanks for the info.

My 8 bay is still going well :)
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Absolutely. I suspect only a tiny number of machines are affected and it’s not so much the issue itself but QNAPs reaction to the issue that I find so troubling. It’s known that Taiwan has been aware of this issue since early 2017 but they’re still using the same parts on the backplanes now, where they KNOW it’s not really rated for the extreme use-case scenarios and there is a good probability it will die. And they don’t offer the longer warranty like Synology does so you either shell out several hundred pounds now for an extended warranty or just buy Synology and pay several hundred pounds extra to get the same level of hardware.
 
My QNAP is past support now and I've been toying with upgrading, but jesus NAS's are so expensive for the hardware you get in them. To get Thunderbolt 3, 6 bays, a half decent CPU you're looking at well over a grand.
 
Market segregation, its why we seeing consumer motherboards have 2.5gbit, they want to maximise revenue on 10gbit ports in datacentres, but that becomes harder when consumer hardware is available for fraction of price.
 
ChrisD. said:
My QNAP is past support now and I've been toying with upgrading, but jesus NAS's are so expensive for the hardware you get in them. To get Thunderbolt 3, 6 bays, a half decent CPU you're looking at well over a grand.
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Yeah - as soon as you get past 4 bays and start adding any feature beyond dual 1GB ethernet it's probably cheaper to DIY.

Decent cases are out there for self build systems now which is good, and for a lot of NAS use cases you can be looking at the cheapest CPUs and only need 8GB RAM - a lot of people seam to hugely overspec home NAS builds though IMO
 
BongoHunter said:
Yeah - as soon as you get past 4 bays and start adding any feature beyond dual 1GB ethernet it's probably cheaper to DIY.

Decent cases are out there for self build systems now which is good, and for a lot of NAS use cases you can be looking at the cheapest CPUs and only need 8GB RAM - a lot of people seam to hugely overspec home NAS builds though IMO
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Largely because a NAS stopped being a NAS a long time ago and became a home server in the retail market, first it was basic media services and downloader functions, now if it can’t run media automation like Sonarr/Radarr and appropriate download clients and serve it using Plex, it’s entry level.
 
I'm using 10gb throughout my desk area. My main desktop, my main UnRaid server and my whitebox server are all primarily running 10Gb SFP+ through a Mikrotik 10GB SFP+ switch, wouldn't go back. Switch was the most expensive part of the puzzle.
 
WJA96 said:
Absolutely. I suspect only a tiny number of machines are affected and it’s not so much the issue itself but QNAPs reaction to the issue that I find so troubling. It’s known that Taiwan has been aware of this issue since early 2017 but they’re still using the same parts on the backplanes now, where they KNOW it’s not really rated for the extreme use-case scenarios and there is a good probability it will die. And they don’t offer the longer warranty like Synology does so you either shell out several hundred pounds now for an extended warranty or just buy Synology and pay several hundred pounds extra to get the same level of hardware.
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Do you think a 8 bay qnap with a 10GBe to my PC.
Would be able to load games ok?

Looking at getting a TS 873 if I can find one cheap.
 
deuse said:
Do you think a 8 bay qnap with a 10GBe to my PC.
Would be able to load games ok?

Looking at getting a TS 873 if I can find one cheap.
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I don't see why you couldn't do that, might depend on if the game does a lot of random reads during game time as then the extra latency might be a factor possibly.

The disk perf of the NAS itself in your case would be better than a single local hdd - I think this would probably work with even 1GB ethernet to be honest
 
873 - Probably. It’s not that fast a CPU but I don’t see why it has to be to send data down a 10GbE link. An 877, definitely, but it’s a chunk more money.

I’d be more concerned about filling the RAM slots up and the M.2 cache because I’m not sure the disk subsystem could keep up with the 10GbE pipe.

I might even be tempted to go with the PCIe card that has the NVME slots with the 10GbE RJ45 port. Just to be sure you could fill that pipe up as fast as possible.
 
BongoHunter said:
I don't see why you couldn't do that, might depend on if the game does a lot of random reads during game time as then the extra latency might be a factor possibly.

The disk perf of the NAS itself in your case would be better than a single local hdd - I think this would probably work with even 1GB ethernet to be honest
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I will try that today.
Thanks

WJA96 said:
873 - Probably. It’s not that fast a CPU but I don’t see why it has to be to send data down a 10GbE link. An 877, definitely, but it’s a chunk more money.

I’d be more concerned about filling the RAM slots up and the M.2 cache because I’m not sure the disk subsystem could keep up with the 10GbE pipe.

I might even be tempted to go with the PCIe card that has the NVME slots with the 10GbE RJ45 port. Just to be sure you could fill that pipe up as fast as possible.
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Thank you.
Lots to read up about. I may just forget about the idea as Qnap prices are way to high.
 
I've just bought a MikroTik CRS305-1G-4S+IN (4 x SFP Port) for £160, OK only 4 ports but to be honest that's all I need at the moment, mainly to connect my NAS to my PC. I would have really liked a Unifi 10G switch but they're just too pricey atm.

I already have all the SFPs and NICs so shouldn't really cost me much more.
 
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