Why the lack of females in technical roles

OspreyO said:
If I said someone was a lovely teacher, or someone was a lovely doctor. Or a care worker was a lovely person.

That's entirely different than the context of calling lovely in a sexist context or condescendingly.
Father Ted ("Lovely Girl Competition") makes a parody of this.
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You might think so. If all of the above were male are you still going to call them lovely?
To me it reads that you have made them all women by prefix lovely...
 
Efour said:
You might think so. If all of the above were male are you still going to call them lovely?
To me it reads that you have made them all women by prefix lovely...
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Man or woman yes the same. That's why I left it gender neutral.

I hate to tell you but it you not me that's associating lovely with women exclusively. I don't see that at all. It's just not just like that where I am.

You can just it in a sexist tone and context. But that is not the only way to use the word. It's very lazy thinking and probably sexist to imply it can only be used in one context.
 
Where are you where men call each other lovely, just for the record?

I've never in all my travels had the word used unless sarcastically , at a male.

It's very interesting.
 
OspreyO said:
Where I am its very normal to say someone is a lovely guy, or lovely man.
It would generally mean some on who is very straight talking, even mannered person.
Good-natured etc. Lovely person, would also not be unusual.
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That may be the case, but that's not the exact phrase used - and it's important to consider ALL the words.

"a lovely man" is TOTALLY different to "a lovely young man"

Why mention "young" what relevance is that to the description? Why is it important? Why does it change the colour of the phrase? Why did YOU miss it out when citing examples of what is normal to say?

I don't know the answer to that, I'm curious as to why you missed the word "young" out - and what difference you think it makes to the meaning and intent of the statement.
 
Well that's it entirely.

I left young out because we don't say that. Its almost a term of parody now.
I think adding young is either a term of endearment by older people. Separately it can be condescending, or sexist depending on context.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/jul/01/barry-norman-dies-great-critic-lovely-man-tributes
https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2014/0127/500369-mcqueen-kanye-is-a-lovely-man/

Engage your brain people.

We've become lazy in our use of english. Social media has a lot of blame for that.
 
Marky said:
This whole thread is cringe-city :p
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I think comes from the Clarkson guide to whats cool.

Any convertible is a hairdresser car, when some of the worlds best driver cars are convertible. Is saying any old crap to be sensationalist and get your face on media at any cost.

Its fake news and people have swallowed it hook line and sinker.
 
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mid_gen said:
Well the thread is about why there is a lack of women in the tech industry, so discussing the kind of behavior that puts women off is what we're talking about here.

Much of it is not deliberate or malicious, but it goes on all the time. The 'very lovely young lady :smiley face:' comment is a perfect example.
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I expect its more about encouraging people to take certain paths in schools and education, and having specific laws in place. In Sweden its the result of hundreds of years of laws and equality changes.

Its not a change in language over the past couple of years.
 
It's a vicious circle. Women "aren't interested" in technical roles, so they become boys clubs which puts women off applying even more. That said, I work in a technical team and we have about 40% female staff but I work in the public sector where concerted efforts have been made to try and even up the gender split. That doesn't mean the women who work here are just there to fulfil some quota though, they're all very good at the job.
 
Efour said:
But are they lovely?
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I've described a male doctor as lovely, for the mannerism in which he dealt with a situation. I can't comment on his ability to do his job, but he was 'lovely' in doing it.

You've picked up on one (albeit poor) example of how Malachi described his engineer. He wasn't there to performance review her, he wasn't even a colleague, he was a client (or at least his business was) so maybe the only thing he could comment on was her demeanour?

I read Malachi's comment as, we had a BT Engineer (a woman in tech) the other day, who also happened to be very lovely.

But you've taken his one comment as proof of objectification of women by ALL men. Men are 'Slaves' to their genitals.

I agree it must be tough for a woman working in a very male dominated environment, but I think the same is true of men working in female dominated environments (midwifery, nursing, care etc) . But to say the sole reason is because they are objectified and preyed upon just isn't true. Every sector is not for everyone, what is wrong with a gender inherently having less interest in one topic than another? I have zero interest in being a nurse, I don't see grants and bursaries and 'pushes' to get me in to nursing as a male...they just want the best nurses. Same with tech for the most part.
 
I think you are in a very small minority that uses language like that and that is fine, anyone is free to use any adjective they feel but it is probably the reason why it's misinterpreted so often.
I also agree this horse has been whipped to death.
Is there such a thing as a gender specific role though? Is it men bash animals to death for meat and women cook and gather berries?

When a little girl and boy are given toys why do girls get dolls and boys get guns? Doesn't it all stem back to that?

I'm sure someone really interested can put it more eloquently.

I'm truly done on the mater. Playing devils advocate is hard work I'll go to gd where it's easier to post bs and not have to follow it up.
 
OspreyO said:
Sweden isn't all that enlightened so...
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Are you from Sweden? I can't remember. I've never lived in a more equal society. Maybe Denmark or Norway are better. Finland gets a ton of good stuff said about it's education system.
 
Efour said:
I think you are in a very small minority that uses language like that and that is fine, anyone is free to use any adjective they feel but it is probably the reason why it's misinterpreted so often.
I also agree this horse has been whipped to death.
Is there such a thing as a gender specific role though? Is it men bash animals to death for meat and women cook and gather berries?

When a little girl and boy are given toys why do girls get dolls and boys get guns? Doesn't it all stem back to that?

I'm sure someone really interested can put it more eloquently.

I'm truly done on the mater. Playing devils advocate is hard work I'll go to gd where it's easier to post bs and not have to follow it up.
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No I agree no role is specific to gender, albeit I also appreciate that sometimes there is a more natural leaning towards a role from genders. Wouldn't ever claim to be qualified enough to say that's inherent, social or environmentally led though.
 
For some reason Facebook has decided to churn through many of the women (but not the men) working at or who previously worked at Codemasters, Jagex and a couple of related companies in "People you may know" suggestions - quite a lot in technical roles which made me think of this thread. On a side note for some reason its grouping with them Paul Wedgwood (from Splash Damage) but not the people I actually know to talk to who work/worked at SD LOL.

Wonder what set that off - I don't have mutual friends with any of them though some of their common friends have friends that are mutual friends with me.
 
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