Will the Mac end up becoming un-cool?
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So does Google Yahoo Live Mail etc. all have a nicer UI.
Take a look at the configure/options list and specs for a new Mac Mini. Beautifully built looks wonderful etc. However, what isn't cool is the fact that Apple are clearly ripping off the customer. That machine with it's constituent parts could be built and sold for half that price. It wouldn't alter it's visual appeal but it would be more affordable. So is cool the fact that you are being ripped off is it design or a combination of the two? Try to answer that one honestly because it beats me. 
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Take a look at the configure/options list and specs for a new Mac Mini. Beautifully built looks wonderful etc. However, what isn't cool is the fact that Apple are clearly ripping off the customer. That machine with it's constituent parts could be built and sold for half that price. It wouldn't alter it's visual appeal but it would be more affordable. So is cool the fact that you are being ripped off is it design or a combination of the two? Try to answer that one honestly because it beats me.
I agree the mac mini is way overpriced. So much infact, it makes more sense to buy the base iMac.
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It is
It can do that
It can also do that
It's a separate app but Mail and iCal are VERY tightly built together. Have you noticed how Mail can spot dates in emails and add them to your iCal? Have you seen how it can see what's a telephone number and you can make an Address book contact straight from Mail with their telephone, email, and so on, even their street address if it's in the email?
It has a to-do list.
You can add as many colours in as you want. You can't make it as ugly as Windows though. I'm sorry.
Your problem with Mail is that you don't know how to work it and you don't want to find out.
Bad time to bring that one up, a working search would be niceSeems you can't search for part of a number
How do you mean? I can search for numbers in mail just fine.
Rarely have a read a post that contains so much hotch potch. All those functions should be integrated into one product. If you think W7 is ugly then I wouldn't like to see your choice of women.
Bottom line which you know deep down is true - MS were stung by the criticism of Vista so really got their act together for W7. In comparison Apple have been so busy with other hardware projects e.g. iPhone iPad that they have ignored to a large extent the Personal PC market. Take the Mac Mini - a so called new fast processor is in fact a low to mid-range circa 2008 mobile C2D. Apple did upgrade the OS but brought very little to the party. Look at what iTunes is expected to do these days on what is a very dated engine. I'm sorry but you should be big enough to give credit where it's due and also criticise when warranted and as far as I'm concerned OS X needs bringing right up to date with some new products and a better UI.
Windows 7 is essentially Vista with the latest service packs and a UI change. Windows 7 is still the same Windows we've been using for over a decade on the backend, all those same problems are still here.
I like OS X because it feels like a modern operating system that has progressed more and quicker than anything Microsoft has offered, over the past decade. Mac OS hasn't always been better than Windows, but 3/4ths of the last 10 years have been owned by Apple in regards to having the better operating system over Microsoft.
I mean, I say this all in praise of OS X, but I can praise Linux for the same reasons. The linux scene is progressive, isn't built upon a terrible backend and foundation like Windows is and doesn't come with any of the problems of Windows that are seemingly unfixable by Microsoft.
Problems of Windows have become "Problems of computers" by the mainstream, they expect computers to act like that because they've been left like that by Microsoft for so long. Before I got my Mac, I still beat the same drum, Windows is broken, except I spoke in praise of Linux (I still do, but to a lesser extent due to me sharing it with OS X). Windows is leader is market share, looser in quality.
I like OS X because it feels like a modern operating system that has progressed more and quicker than anything Microsoft has offered, over the past decade. Mac OS hasn't always been better than Windows, but 3/4ths of the last 10 years have been owned by Apple in regards to having the better operating system over Microsoft.
I mean, I say this all in praise of OS X, but I can praise Linux for the same reasons. The linux scene is progressive, isn't built upon a terrible backend and foundation like Windows is and doesn't come with any of the problems of Windows that are seemingly unfixable by Microsoft.
Problems of Windows have become "Problems of computers" by the mainstream, they expect computers to act like that because they've been left like that by Microsoft for so long. Before I got my Mac, I still beat the same drum, Windows is broken, except I spoke in praise of Linux (I still do, but to a lesser extent due to me sharing it with OS X). Windows is leader is market share, looser in quality.
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Wow there is a lot of uniformed Windows opinions in this thread. I think some people need to read up on modern Windows internals architecture then come back and comment.
I use both on a daily basis and have for a while and there is little things with both that drive me mad. The way OSX handles multi instances of the same app open is very poor and I have always hated the way when you close all the windows the app doesn't close. It's just conceptually very wrong to me. An application is a view on data and when I'm no longer interested in the data why would I be interested in the app? The things I like most about OSX, ironically, are actually *nix things like Bash and SSH.
On Windows I don't like the lack of ubiquitous powerful shell access, yes I'm aware of PS but it's far from ubiquitous. Also the lack of native virtual desktops although the underlying Winstation API supports it and hardware vendors producing rubbish drivers.
But overall both are much of a muchness.
I use both on a daily basis and have for a while and there is little things with both that drive me mad. The way OSX handles multi instances of the same app open is very poor and I have always hated the way when you close all the windows the app doesn't close. It's just conceptually very wrong to me. An application is a view on data and when I'm no longer interested in the data why would I be interested in the app? The things I like most about OSX, ironically, are actually *nix things like Bash and SSH.
On Windows I don't like the lack of ubiquitous powerful shell access, yes I'm aware of PS but it's far from ubiquitous. Also the lack of native virtual desktops although the underlying Winstation API supports it and hardware vendors producing rubbish drivers.
But overall both are much of a muchness.
The Mac won't be uncool until most people outside of creative industries start using them at work. It will be interesting to see how the iPhone is perceived in a couple of years now that some employers are replacing.g blackberries with them
why has this thread turned into a windows vs OSX argument again.
WHETHER A BRAND IS COOL OR NOT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE QUALITY OF THE OS
Do you really think the teenage kids that all want macs actually give a stuff about half the things you guys are saying !
WHETHER A BRAND IS COOL OR NOT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE QUALITY OF THE OS
Do you really think the teenage kids that all want macs actually give a stuff about half the things you guys are saying !
You may at some point be interested in it in the future, so it arguably makes sense to keep the program in RAM in case you need it again in short order.
There's still an obsession with closing apps from back in the days when we all had 4mb of RAM. For the majority of apps, it's just not necessary in the days when we have 4Gb of RAM.
No, but "cool" is unquantifiable, so people have turned to arguing things that are more quantifiable.
Sure, OS features and looks are only just barely quantifiable, but even so.
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I think you need to read my post again and not what you think I've written - I hope you don't go off half-cocked so fast with everything?
Windows is an OS not hardware so not sure what you're talking about their.
Maybe you should re-read your own post and pull the pro-PC quotes out of it yourself, I can see at least three or four. And re read mine while your at it re OS and hardware. And lastly, don't waste my time replying to me when your comments are clearly ill informed, irrelevant and frankly pretty childish.
I don't give a crap what you think the better OS is. I wrote what makes Apple cool and Windows not. And what would make Apple uncool. You've not even tried to answer OPs question and would rather brandish about your own experiences and opinions about the brands, spiralling this thread into another PC vs Mac debate. Congratulations.
I have several emails with the string i353234023077827 in them. If I search for 77827 there are no instances found. If I search for 353234023077827 there are 3 hits. It appears that if I search for a partial number and it matches the start of the string I'm fine but not if I search from anywhere else. eg 35323402307782 is found but 53234023077827 is not.
How cool is that
I disagree, something becomes cool because of what it is. Once it's cool it can lose that mantle by not maintaining the attributes that made it that way. If Apple ditched OSX and ran Linux or Windows in its place would the Apple brand remain cool? I expect not.
I have several emails with the string i353234023077827 in them. If I search for 77827 there are no instances found. If I search for 353234023077827 there are 3 hits. It appears that if I search for a partial number and it matches the start of the string I'm fine but not if I search from anywhere else. eg 35323402307782 is found but 53234023077827 is not.
How cool is that
Huh. Weird. I'll have another look at home tonight. I looked for 137.5 and found what I was after, and get there with 13 as well. I'll try 37.5 tonight and report back.