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You are right,I've corrected it,my memory is going in my old age(50+) ,at least I can use Win8 without issues
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Yours must have been very good. Mine always took 45 minutes and I always got so cheesed off when I had to restart. Sith rage, nooooooooooooooo. Bloody Shadow Warrior!
I usually always flipped the tape around.
For the love of God when will Microsoft PLEASE get rid of this Metro crap on desktops.
We were hiding Windows 8 from all our clients, but now that Windows 8 is on all new computers, every time one of our client's employees buys a home computer they want us to nuke Windows 8 and send it back.
It's getting exceptionally tedious now 80% of our 'standby' time is now occupied on getting rid of Metro on various computers.
Even my personal clients who have asked for laptop recommendations have been getting back to me telling me to get rid of it ASAP. What prompted me to make this post was that one of them even told me something along the lines of "I wanted a computer for myself, not my children".
Utter headache. I don't understand why microsoft is slapping this Metro crap on Desktop. I understand things need to be dumbed down for most humans, but why should we have to suffer!
There is simply no point for Metro. OK it makes it slightly easier for old people who have never navigated a desktop computer in their lives, but most of these people are already dead so its pointless. New generations can get on fine!!!
We were hiding Windows 8 from all our clients, but now that Windows 8 is on all new computers, every time one of our client's employees buys a home computer they want us to nuke Windows 8 and send it back.
It's getting exceptionally tedious now 80% of our 'standby' time is now occupied on getting rid of Metro on various computers.
Even my personal clients who have asked for laptop recommendations have been getting back to me telling me to get rid of it ASAP. What prompted me to make this post was that one of them even told me something along the lines of "I wanted a computer for myself, not my children".
Utter headache. I don't understand why microsoft is slapping this Metro crap on Desktop. I understand things need to be dumbed down for most humans, but why should we have to suffer!
There is simply no point for Metro. OK it makes it slightly easier for old people who have never navigated a desktop computer in their lives, but most of these people are already dead so its pointless. New generations can get on fine!!!
The start menu will always be superior for a long time to come because it was designed with desktop users in mind. Metro was designed for touch users. This is why it's awful for general navigation using a keyboard and mouse. I won't be touching my PC monitor nor using a touchpad any time soon. This is no excuse for Microsoft to split search categories and force the user to make extra clicks or learn new keyboard shortcuts.
Your analogy is awful. I like rapid combined search. I do not like icon clutter & extra steps to carry out a simple task.
Despite the fact that Metro does everything it does either just as well or better ^^
You only need a new shortcut if your searching for applications instead of files, which you shouldn't be with 7/8 as you should have your commonly used ones pinned.
So you don't like extra steps, but prefer to do things the hard/long way, just because? sounds like the analogy was spot on
Despite the fact that Metro does everything it does either just as well or better ^^
You only need a new shortcut if your searching for applications instead of files, which you shouldn't be with 7/8 as you should have your commonly used ones pinned.
So you don't like extra steps, but prefer to do things the hard/long way, just because? sounds like the analogy was spot on
It doesn't. I've already pointed out its flaws.
Why would I deliberately clutter up my start menu? The location of icons does not matter because search is so accurate. The new shortcuts are required for files and settings, not apps. I do not wish to make life harder because metro fails to combine search results.
Fewer steps (start menu) = less work
Extra steps (metro ) = more work.
Touch UI on the desktop makes everything hard work.
It does, this has been pointed out by myself and others numerous times on this forum, just because you prefer an older method that takes the same time or longer does not make that method better.
Because that's how 7/8 are designed, if used properly it is a large improvement over Vista, you don't need combined search when your searching for a specific item type.
That would matter if it were true, but as it isn't its irrelevant, as said earlier Metro makes everything either as easy or easier.
No, closed minded people complaining about new technology that would make their tasks easier or the same if they used it correctly make things hard work...
You will always get different opinions on any new UI especially when Microsoft or any other company change something,I was on Linux Mint 14 today and thinking Mint 14 so much better then Win7 in both layout and general use,I was using Win7 as a comparison because its nearer to Mint then what Win8 is with regards to general layout on desktop ie both have start button menu etc..
Anyway my point is no OS is perfect and we all prefer different things,however you have to accept somethings will never be the same,as a die hard desktop user and gamer myself I could say I want my Windows OS to be more like Mint but hey we all know how far I 'll get,Win8 however is a different kettle of fish ie more hybrid OS so can see it from both desktop and touch/tablet side,I've no issues with start button gone(adapted quite easily in my old age ).
Personally I think Microsoft will stay with a hybrid OS but improve on both the weakness and strengths of Win8 in their next generations of operating systems,I'm fine by that.
Last comment ,it always makes me laugh when desktop users say "Win7 is perfect they should have stayed with that ",well sorry its not, Mint 14 is closer to perfection then Win7 will ever be ,but even Mint is not perfect,just remember Win8 is more a hybrid OS so as to cater for different users and needs,not an easy thing to do if you actually sit down and think about it,especially on their first hybrid build.
Anyway my point is no OS is perfect and we all prefer different things,however you have to accept somethings will never be the same,as a die hard desktop user and gamer myself I could say I want my Windows OS to be more like Mint but hey we all know how far I 'll get,Win8 however is a different kettle of fish ie more hybrid OS so can see it from both desktop and touch/tablet side,I've no issues with start button gone(adapted quite easily in my old age
).Personally I think Microsoft will stay with a hybrid OS but improve on both the weakness and strengths of Win8 in their next generations of operating systems,I'm fine by that.
Last comment ,it always makes me laugh when desktop users say "Win7 is perfect they should have stayed with that ",well sorry its not, Mint 14 is closer to perfection then Win7 will ever be ,but even Mint is not perfect,just remember Win8 is more a hybrid OS so as to cater for different users and needs,not an easy thing to do if you actually sit down and think about it,especially on their first hybrid build.
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We prefer an older method because the touch oriented method is inferior. You failed to address many of the points raised.
You are describing additional features that have been added to operating systems. Being new features does not make them superior. New is not always better. I should not have to search for a specific type of item. Combined search should be on by default, or available as an option in settings at the very least.
It's true because metro is the long-winded method. Most of us like the easy way.
We've tried it and we hate it. We'd all be wasting a lot of time if we followed your advice.
18 years of doing something the same way as well,you could argue its hard for some people to change and that would also be very valid,after all its almost two decades we are talking about.
I'll say took me about 3 to 4 weeks to adapt without it ,however adjusted fine in the end (not surprising since I started on DOS).
I could also add there are some users that hate or don't want (or know how) to customise Metro to their needs like I've done ie my own tiles,columns,naming them ,removing ones not needed etc..
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I do love the way you keep using the "touch oriented" phrase becuase it makes it sound bad, what exactly is touch orientated about using a mouse button and typing on a keyboard?
Vista had combined search because people needed to search for apps and files, 7 made combined search largely irrelevant due to app pinning so people only needed to search for files, 8 has made it even more irrelevant so people only need to search for files (in which case they don't want the search results cluttered by apps).
It just works better, there's no getting around it no matter how much the truth upsets you. To use another analogy: saying an old Vauxhall is superior to a new Ferrari just because you prefer it is just silly.
/Sign, one last time in the hope it will sink in, Metro IS the easy way, Vista is the old/hard/tedious/laborious way, saying something that is factually incorrect and declaring it to be "true" does not change the facts >.>
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Metro is so great, I never use it.
I have my taskbar filled with icons.
Haven't bothered with a single metro app, installed a few and thought "meh".
It is tedious. I've had enough months of usage to know it sucks, it does. Nothing will convince me otherwise.
That doesn't make Windows 8 bad though, it's just an unfortunate quirk.
I would probably use it more if I had dual screens.
What would be good is having a magical start button which brought up the Metro type desktop in a biggish Window instead so I could use both at the same time.
I have my taskbar filled with icons.
Haven't bothered with a single metro app, installed a few and thought "meh".
It is tedious. I've had enough months of usage to know it sucks, it does. Nothing will convince me otherwise.
That doesn't make Windows 8 bad though, it's just an unfortunate quirk.
I would probably use it more if I had dual screens.
What would be good is having a magical start button which brought up the Metro type desktop in a biggish Window instead so I could use both at the same time.
The Windows 8.1 update is bringing the option of showing a start button in the bottom left of the desktop, plus the ability to split the screen 50:50 with the desktop and a metro app
I can accept that some users don't like Metro etc..personally I just got on with it regardless ie made a column for all my games(A to Z),another for my software, and last column for default Win8 applications,removed all the crappy default metro tiles I did not need,and fine tuned Win+x menu by adding restart ,shutdown etc to it,Steam and Origin is not really an issue since you can either have them start at Windows bootup or just right click on the game in question via taskbar icon once you have the Steam/Origin icon on taskbar,again easy to do in Metro etc...
I'll say in Metro's defence its not hard to find stuff,but then how many bother to fine tune and customise Metro?(some just avoid it,I see it has a tool that I can use when needed)..I do spend most of my time on the old desktop UI but have accepted and adapted to the way Win8 was designed for rather then moaning and refusing to learn etc..
Bottomline its still easy to do things IMHO and remember I consider myself a desktop user (from DOS 6.22 to Win8,through all the many OS changes)that has no touch screen etc ..but still using die hard mouse and keyboard method.
I still have Linux Mint 14 to fine tune nextweek
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I'd love to move to something like Ubuntu/Mint. My two main reservations are:
a) I'm used to Windows. I know I can get used to Linux but it would take time and be a pain in the interim.
b) Gaming support - this is a biggie. Things are improving but Microsoft have the PC gaming market cornered.
I would happily just stick with Windows 7 if support was extended but Microsoft do tend to force people's hands a bit by ending it. I know I don't want to be sat using an OS that isn't having new security holes patched.
a) I'm used to Windows. I know I can get used to Linux but it would take time and be a pain in the interim.
b) Gaming support - this is a biggie. Things are improving but Microsoft have the PC gaming market cornered.
I would happily just stick with Windows 7 if support was extended but Microsoft do tend to force people's hands a bit by ending it. I know I don't want to be sat using an OS that isn't having new security holes patched.
I do love the way you keep using the "touch oriented" phrase becuase it makes it sound bad, what exactly is touch orientated about using a mouse button and typing on a keyboard?
Vista had combined search because people needed to search for apps and files, 7 made combined search largely irrelevant due to app pinning so people only needed to search for files, 8 has made it even more irrelevant so people only need to search for files (in which case they don't want the search results cluttered by apps).
It just works better, there's no getting around it no matter how much the truth upsets you. To use another analogy: saying an old Vauxhall is superior to a new Ferrari just because you prefer it is just silly.
/Sign, one last time in the hope it will sink in, Metro IS the easy way, Vista is the old/hard/tedious/laborious way, saying something that is factually incorrect and declaring it to be "true" does not change the facts >.>
In case you hadn't noticed, metro inc apps are touch oriented.
You're fixating on silly features. This is only your interpretation of how Microsoft might envisage the end-user taking advantage of new additions to the OS. People will always need to search for more than just apps, which is why metro includes all three categories, albeit in a botched fashion. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. A lot of these silly assumptions made by MS has caused this massive backlash.
If metro were superior to the start menu, we wouldn't have to use solutions such as start8 and startisback. All they have done is slap a touch interface on top of a traditional desktop environment. This does not appeal to the masses.
Right back at you. Thankfully, 3rd party devs have a clue and provide fantastic alternatives for those seeking a better experience.
Win7 security updates will end in 2020.
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Win7 security updates will end in 2020.
This. You'll likely hit a ceiling with directx versions long before the OS becomes obsolete.
I find the whole thing very confusing, what with "mainstream" and "extended" support.
Mind you, if Microsoft do indeed keep going down this path i'm still going to have the same problem in 7 years time.
Also, the first thing I do on a Windows install and have done since the first days of XP is disable Windows Search. I just don't use it and I find it far more relaxing to let my mouse hand do 100% of the work. No keyboard needed until I get into IE or a game (and even then my most used sites are bookmarked).
Mind you, if Microsoft do indeed keep going down this path i'm still going to have the same problem in 7 years time.
Also, the first thing I do on a Windows install and have done since the first days of XP is disable Windows Search. I just don't use it and I find it far more relaxing to let my mouse hand do 100% of the work. No keyboard needed until I get into IE or a game (and even then my most used sites are bookmarked).
You are the IT guy, why don't you just point out the half a dozen new changes they need to know instead of agreeing with them and wasting your time.
It's not hard mate. Seriously.
Novices find the old start menu much harder to figure out with its tiny filetrees that give the impression that they might break something if they click it.
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