Windows 8 Adoption Poor

People need to realise the market is very different to any other windows release. They also need to understand that MS won't commit suicide just because a few can't cope without a button.

If you look at steam, which is the only group which actually needs to buy and upgrade hardware/software it is doing very well and now has over 10% and only behind w7.
People don't need to upgrade these days, they don't even need new hardware. Anyone who is looking to buy hardware, is much more likely to buy a mobile device, which is where win8 has done appallingly, which is down to Ms/oems not having decent hardware or having it in shops and wrong price.
 
The reality is somewhere in between. Sales figures and recent results from the Windows division are actually pretty decent if people care to look.

But, of course, 'business as usual' a headline does not make.


As you will know MS refused to let people know the USAGE of win 8 the usage is the name of the game.


They should do what coke did and ditch it asap. Win 8 is ok for tablets but nothing to write home about.
Ubuntu Touch now that is worth talking about it will be released in a few months time and it's FREE :D
 
But it's not like usage is a total mystery - just have a look at the Steam hardware survey and netmarketshare which peg it at 11.65% and 3.82% respectively at the 6 month mark.
 
It is only an operating system, It is there to access and interface with your applications. Like DOS, Linux, Other Windows. If it makes it easier to do that then it is better, if not, it is worse.
 
waits for the MS gang to show ;)

"The minute that a PC rolls off the manufacturing line with a new version of Windows on it, it is counted as a "license sold,"

And it still lags in terms of usage with XP and Win 7 lmfao can't wait to till the BACK TRACK edition :)

Isn't it amusing how some petty people think. How they think it's a gang. All because some people can just get on with it and they don't like what they read, so it's labelled a gang.

My view is that these changes are a result of ignorance. In the FT article I saw (haven't read the digital version if it's any different) they admit that they could have raised better awareness of the changes and trained retail staff better. I think that would have been better than those stupid artsy ads they put out that didn't actually tell you about what made the product better. They tried too hard to build hype without actually telling anyone in straight words what was different or how to use it.

But then you get the ROFLCOPTER people like, deuse.

We already knew the button was coming back. I can only imagine that some are struggling to work out what to do without a button, which I can well understand given some of the people I've worked with.

I cannot get my head around this. The standards are so low nowadays.

That said, if people are shown what to do, then they've been fine with it in my experience. I think where Microsoft have let themselves down with the new GUI* is with a complete lack of instruction. As far as I can tell there's only a short animation which shows while Windows is finishing installing (or on first boot up on an OOB system). Had they included a tile to guide users through doing this or that on demand, it would have been far better. I'm sure there's plenty of info buried away in a help file somewhere, but that's the issue - it's buried away.

It sounds like they need a masters degree to work this out. L for Left and R for Right when building things. Did they never build lego? or meccano? god that must have been a nightmare. You know, these things that make you use your brain. Remember the days of jigsaws?

Can you explain this then? most of these people are online, right? smartphones, ipads, iphones, tablets, laptops, smart tv's, right? always on browsing the internet, right? always googling, shopping and searching, right? so they know how to search and google, correct? if they know their way around the internet so well and always online because thats how this generation is. How can they not find the ways to learn Windows 8 from all the sites that are widely available on what to do...

It's hardly buried away. After all, all you ever hear is, Google it!

Personally I couldn't care less. I'm not a fan of the start screen, but it doesn't slow me down in the slightest. I can still open programs in two clicks and indeed more of my programs are visible without having to go into All Programs. I can still open programs by simply hitting the windows key and typing a couple of letters. I still shutdown a PC by pressing the power button. The only negatives for me is having to dig into the charms bar to restart a PC, though that's still three clicks as it is with Windows 7 (unless I create a shortcut, though I restart so rarely its not worth it), and I'm missing the recent items for individual programs (obviously the Office suite have their own recent items and I can continue to pin my important items them in each Office program, but some programs don't have that recent list or the ability to pin items.

That said, I could happily continue working with Windows 7, though I'd miss a few features, GUI tweaks and the optimisation Windows 8 has had. As I said, couldn't really care less either way. I'm certainly not a fanboy and wouldn't encourage or discourage anyone against either, save for telling them that "this is the way it's going, so you might as well just do it now".

* and don't get me wrong, while I don't mind tiles instead of buttons, I'd have gone much further in changing the GUI and integrated Metro into the desktop rather than having the current old flat, 2D and relatively useless desktop.

At least you get on with it.

windows key. it's been on keyboards since before the release of windows 95. ie, 17 years ago. That's how long we've had a key that takes us straight to the start menu and now screen. 17 years and still people haven't learned to use it:p

Scary how sad and amusing that is at the same time, isn't it?

People need to realise the market is very different to any other windows release. They also need to understand that MS won't commit suicide just because a few can't cope without a button.

I always chuckle when I read this stuff. How bad it really is. An internet generation that love to adapt but don't love to adapt. O_o
 
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Scary how sad and amusing that is at the same time, isn't it?

You know, my son can use metro. He knows he can press the windows key to bring the start screen up. He can do that and find the tv catchup app, start it and put cebeebies on......and he's two. I'm not saying thats exceptional because it really isn't - kids these days are mighty clever. But I see him doing this, then I come on here and read about people struggling with start buttons lol.

God help us tbh.
 
You know, my son can use metro. He knows he can press the windows key to bring the start screen up. He can do that and find the tv catchup app, start it and put cebeebies on......and he's two. I'm not saying thats exceptional because it really isn't - kids these days are mighty clever. But I see him doing this, then I come on here and read about people struggling with start buttons lol.

God help us tbh.

Indeed makes me laugh too!

I had the Consumer Preview on my nieces laptop I decided to put it on just to see how she would deal with it. I never told her how to do anything on it just gave it her back saying i fixed it, yet she managed everything just fine. Shock horror she even found the shut down menu in the charms bar!

She's taught me a few tricks with Windows 8 too. I think some people are just afraid of change :p

Me personally I say bring it on! I'm not a huge fan of the metro apps in fact the only one I do use is TVcatchup! But the start screen is just so much better for me.

As Glaucus may well know from posts in the consumer preview thread. I hated that there was no button where the start button used to be, But since installing it from retail I haven't bothered adding any visual icon & I get on just fine now. I rarely even see the start screen on both my PC & laptop.
 
Guess I need to make a side by side video of my workflow in Win 7 and 8 so people can see that with both tweaked for optimal useage my workflow (and for a good number of people) its more streamline in Windows 7. Its nothing to do with adapting or progress or being "hard". I suspect for possibly an equal number of people the new setup works better but its not the story for everyone.
 
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You know, my son can use metro. He knows he can press the windows key to bring the start screen up. He can do that and find the tv catchup app, start it and put cebeebies on......and he's two. I'm not saying thats exceptional because it really isn't - kids these days are mighty clever. But I see him doing this, then I come on here and read about people struggling with start buttons lol.

God help us tbh.
Curious that you mention people are complaining about the button or lack there of...
The only time the start button is mentioned is when people comment that it's coming back, or people remark that others are "complaining" about it being missing... no body has actually complained that it has gone. I've just searched the last few pages and not one person has complained.
 
Is Blue really due within a few weeks?

The biggest expectation is that the update to Windows 8, codenamed Blue and due within a few weeks, will revive the start button that had been familiar to users for 17 years but which was removed from the new version.
 
You know, my son can use metro. He knows he can press the windows key to bring the start screen up. He can do that and find the tv catchup app, start it and put cebeebies on......and he's two. I'm not saying thats exceptional because it really isn't - kids these days are mighty clever. But I see him doing this, then I come on here and read about people struggling with start buttons lol.

God help us tbh.

Just to give it some perspective, your 2 year old hasn't built up 18 years of muscle memory when working with the start button interface.
 
Curious that you mention people are complaining about the button or lack there of...
The only time the start button is mentioned is when people comment that it's coming back, or people remark that others are "complaining" about it being missing... no body has actually complained that it has gone. I've just searched the last few pages and not one person has complained.

of course people have complained, it's the reason Microsoft are bringing it back.Maybe not in this thread but there have been plenty of threads on windows 8.

Just to give it some perspective, your 2 year old hasn't built up 18 years of muscle memory when working with the start button interface.


Neither have most of the people complaining, I bet ;) Anyway, I see your point. Not sure if it's an excuse though. Press a key instead of click a button...if people can't get that.........

Are you saying that children today are smarter than in the past?
At that age, possibly. it was just figurative speech though, I wouldn't take it literally lol.
 
Simply rename Windows 8 to Windows Touch and then Windows 8.1 as a hybrid. If you have touch you opt for Metro (or whatever its called now) if you want a normal desktop then you can have a start menu.

I don't see why it wasn't done like this in the first place.


M.
 
Lol FT, made it up, who could have guessed that. Oh wait most of us.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22446754
"It is unfortunate that the Financial Times did not accurately represent the content or the context of our conversation about the good response to date on Windows 8 and the positive opportunities ahead on both Windows 8 and Windows Blue," it said.

"Our perspective is accurately reflected in many other interviews on this topic as well as in a Q&A with [chief financial officer] Tami Reller posted on the Windows blog."

It will be nothing more than a visible button to the start screen. As well as visible search boxes and as seen in leaks a visible button for all apps.
 
it's kind of true due to all the technology that's out now

I don't see how people could get smarter. Surely the human brain has a finite capacity and that's defined by genetics and you can't change your genetics. Maybe if a human brain is like a muscle and you use it more it gets "stronger". People 200 years ago had technology,it was just different and they'd probably be better with their tech than we would.

You could argue that people are getting dumber since we assist the feeble minded in reproducing by paying their benefits, rather than just letting them die of natural causes.
 
IQ is increasing about 3points per generation.
The only issue is. What do IQ tests actually test, is it intelligence or education.
 
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