Nobody is forced to use Win8 or any OS you can name,point is no OS stays the same forever and changes even new UI is expected sooner or later,nowadays a lot of users seem to moan more over simple,useless things.
Windows 8 Adoption Poor
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Nobody is forced to use Win8 or any OS you can name,point is no OS stays the same forever and changes even new UI is expected sooner or later,nowadays a lot of users seem to moan more over simple,useless things.
Soldato
The focus is on making the new UI more discoverable. That's basically it.
I'm not sure whether a boot to desktop option will make the cut but that remains to be seen. I don't see the point personally, if anything that exacerbates the problem if OEMs start making it the default.
I'm not sure whether a boot to desktop option will make the cut but that remains to be seen. I don't see the point personally, if anything that exacerbates the problem if OEMs start making it the default.
Soldato
None of the improvements I've seen in 8.1, with the possible exception of the boot to desktop setting, get anywhere near to addressing the main complaints.
The desktop is still the subordinate UI, you still have to 'deal with' Metro i.e. you can't turn it off, you still end up dipping in and out of a full screen menu when you search etc. etc.
The new (supposed) Start button in 8.1 should have been there in the first place but hey ho. It would be nice if it was there by default but you could un-pin it, because it's a waste of space once you've worked out the hot corners.
The desktop is still the subordinate UI, you still have to 'deal with' Metro i.e. you can't turn it off, you still end up dipping in and out of a full screen menu when you search etc. etc.
The new (supposed) Start button in 8.1 should have been there in the first place but hey ho. It would be nice if it was there by default but you could un-pin it, because it's a waste of space once you've worked out the hot corners.
So why use Win8 if you don't like it or hate Metro,I could never understand this,for me Metro is just another tool ie when I need to use it I do ,if I was using any OS that needed major improvements then I would not be using it period,end of the day you can use something else until the next major OS is out.
I dont expect things to stay the same, I just expect them to get better. And we are forced to use what microsoft gives us by their being no adequate other alternative(I would gladly go to others if there was).
Its like Adobe going the way of the cloud. You have a choice to subscribe or to stop using the software, which is no choice for most developers.
Better is always subjective,end of the day you have plenty of other Windows operating systems and even Linux Distro's to choose from,nobody has chained you to Win8 etc...also Win8 will come and go just like Win9,10,11 etc...(let alone XP,Vista,Win7).
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Caporegime
Are you on the bottle? That makes no sense.
I haven't implied anything. It's practically tautologous that MS have made these changes because they have found reason to do so. We know this because they have made the changes.
They have market research, number of complaints, number of sales, and whatever other metric they have to provide them with enough information for them to go "We need to do something about this."
It's beyond comprehension why you are trying to argue differently.
You appear to think you've got more information on this than those companies spending millions on market research for their own sectors do. It's astounding that you can state without any uncertainty that PC sales are not down, when a simple search provides so many results to the contrary and also so many results that Win8 sales are well below targets.
But sure, they must all be wrong. You just said so.
Soldato
It's actually one of the very few minor niggles I have with Windows 8, but only on my HTPC. I've installed one of the free start menu replacements for one reason; so that MediaPortal doesn't get stuck behind the new UI at bootup.
I could have just not set MP to autostart at boot and I'm sure all would be well, but it makes it easier for 'others' in the household
Soldato
I use Windows 8 because I like it. In its current state it isn't perfect, but it's fine.
But there is nothing drastic coming in 8.1 based on what we've seen. The tweaks are minor, and yet we've got the FT talking about U-turns and Acer say 'the crisis is over'.
How is that possible when Windows 8 remains fundamentally the same.
Caporegime
Hyperbole is why.
Of course it makes sense, you said most of the sales aren't to customers and includes ones waiting to be sold, that's always been the case, so what was the point of the comment. Or is it because you didnt think about it and assumed the numbers for win7 etc don't include those, but they do.
They are not making the changes you think, the FT article you like so much, Ms have replied to and say they are wrong.
Oh look a link to a search engine that says 100million sold, and good but needs improvment. What a shock, saying what I've been saying.
The articles that say its flunk are sensational to say the least and don't take into account the changed market both hardware and software wise.
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I agree about Win8 ie not perfect (nothing is)but happy with it,I see it as MK1 hybrid OS,question is what will Microsoft do with Win9,will they make major changes to the UI and keep it a hybrid OS?..
Win8.1 I see as addressing some minor issues with Win8 and to keep some of those other users that moaned about a few things missing happy,guess they threw them a bone or two lol...
Don
You are one of those people who insisted Vista was good weren't you?
It wasn't. It was an attempt by MS to bring in some good ideas, but they ended up making it so clunky that it failed. It still is not liked. I had to do some software updates at a Client site the other day on 3 computers, one = Windows 8, one Windows 7 and one on Vista...Guess which one lagged behind? (I'll give you a clue, no number in it's name- and for the record, the specs were not all that bad).
Windows 8 does not suffer from this speed issue (much better OS than Vista was), but I can't like the Start screen, I don't like how my desktop disappears when I press the windows key. I like to have the document or web page on the screen when I search for my programs (as it's a clue what it was I was about to search for).
Install Start8 on Windows 8 and it's fine. MS should actually bring back the option for the customer to choose what they like, not try to force some new way of doing things down the throats of all customers whether they like it (which Glaucus, kitch9 and gareth obviously do, fair enough) or not.
I also like Gadgets (sure I know there's a security flaw, but only with certain apps), which I have to tweak Windows 8 to use.
The worst thing about vista was the driver situation, it wasn't a bad os. However few people could get it working properly due to no driver support.
Where am I forcing it down your throat?
You don't have to upgrade and I've said plenty of times give it a try and if you still don't like it, install starts back. It's not like they stop you installing 3rd part mods.
It would be a bad move for MS to bring it back. For the simple reason that people would not even try. The move needs to happen as desktop market is scaling back and we will not see consecutive growth for well a long time. That's not to say its dead, as they are still need in many situations. Just that mobile computing replaces a desktop for a lot of people.
Where am I forcing it down your throat?
You don't have to upgrade and I've said plenty of times give it a try and if you still don't like it, install starts back. It's not like they stop you installing 3rd part mods.
It would be a bad move for MS to bring it back. For the simple reason that people would not even try. The move needs to happen as desktop market is scaling back and we will not see consecutive growth for well a long time. That's not to say its dead, as they are still need in many situations. Just that mobile computing replaces a desktop for a lot of people.
I like XP,Vista,Win7,Win8 and even Linux so where does that leave me?...for the record I installed Vista on day one and had no real issues with it apart from lazy companies getting their drivers released slowly and OEMs shipping hardware with specs below Vista's minimum recommended specs,Win7 had several advantages over Vista ie two years polish,mature drivers by then( ie it could use Vista drivers) and lastest hardware was obvioulsy more powerful as well.
Sure Win7 improved on speed slightly and less UAC nagging but nothing major over Vista IMHO,more a Vista SE in my books which is not surprising since its based on Vista,as least Win8 was new complete change from Win95-Win7 UI with more new features and changes then you ever saw from Vista to Win7.
this happens all the time, the exact same thing massively boosted windows 7 sales, truth is many large organisations, including the one I work for which is a national organisation, simply downgraded all windows 7 machines to xp, as allowed by the license, they still counted towards the win 7 figures. Many many organisations are still in the process of migrating from xp to windows 7 let alone even considering 8.
Caporegime
You clearly are on the bottle. There's no mention of "most" in my post at all.
The FT article I "like so much" surely you mean the article I posted and mentioned just the once?
You really are twisting words. Yes, search results with 100million sales in a few results amongst countless stating it's sold well below expected numbers. Time to take the blinkers off. I've not even stated my stance on the matter, only posted facts and links!
Very one sided facts and figures and ignore any other facts or figures as they don't fit your view.
The fact is they've sold 100million licenses in 6 months, that's just below what w7 managed. That w7 figure also accounts for unsold license sat in warehouses.
No it's not done as well as MS had hopped or OEMs were kidding themself, there's a far bigger issue and it has little to do with w8 or any othe OS, there traditional market is simply shrinking, they and Ms have also made many mistakes in hardware and advertising,
My view is far from blinkered, it's actually pretty balanced if you bother to read it and read up on the situation and not just link to sensational headlines.
The area they have really failed is mobile devices. They finally got WP on the right track and selling well. But not tablets, whys that? It's always hard to break into a market, even harder when virtually no hardware exists and the few that do are overpriced or under specced and aren't on show.
Then we have the shambles of all in one pcs and other formats where oems ave played the number game like we have the biggest touch screen or have just totally failed to link to the changing markets.
For such a fan, I haven't upgraded hardware. I've installed it on my desktop and purchased a cheap second hand laptop which also upgraded to win8, win8 is by far the better os for many reasons, but metro is good for media consumption. You try using netflix/audible/news etc on desktop and its a horrible experience compared to the ipad. Let alone the live accounts, backups and other improvments. I wanted a tablet, non exist that are worthwhile, surface pro is the closest and that's not available. So I looked at new laptops. Think I could find a touchscreen laptop with a discreet gfx card for under 1200, like **** could I, even at insane price there's only a couple.
The fact is they've sold 100million licenses in 6 months, that's just below what w7 managed. That w7 figure also accounts for unsold license sat in warehouses.
No it's not done as well as MS had hopped or OEMs were kidding themself, there's a far bigger issue and it has little to do with w8 or any othe OS, there traditional market is simply shrinking, they and Ms have also made many mistakes in hardware and advertising,
My view is far from blinkered, it's actually pretty balanced if you bother to read it and read up on the situation and not just link to sensational headlines.
The area they have really failed is mobile devices. They finally got WP on the right track and selling well. But not tablets, whys that? It's always hard to break into a market, even harder when virtually no hardware exists and the few that do are overpriced or under specced and aren't on show.
Then we have the shambles of all in one pcs and other formats where oems ave played the number game like we have the biggest touch screen or have just totally failed to link to the changing markets.
For such a fan, I haven't upgraded hardware. I've installed it on my desktop and purchased a cheap second hand laptop which also upgraded to win8, win8 is by far the better os for many reasons, but metro is good for media consumption. You try using netflix/audible/news etc on desktop and its a horrible experience compared to the ipad. Let alone the live accounts, backups and other improvments. I wanted a tablet, non exist that are worthwhile, surface pro is the closest and that's not available. So I looked at new laptops. Think I could find a touchscreen laptop with a discreet gfx card for under 1200, like **** could I, even at insane price there's only a couple.
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