Windows 8 Adoption Poor

Children find it easier to learn. As technology and our general understanding progresses, children are able to learn it more quickly than "we" did through their ability to just copy their elders but also because they haven't had to "unlearn" stuff. Things like smartphones are easier for children to pick up because they are learning it for the first time, were as the elder folk are comparing it to something from before, or we at least look at these things with expectations unlike kids do.
 
Dj_Jestar said:
Children find it easier to learn. As technology and our general understanding progresses, children are able to learn it more quickly than "we" did through their ability to just copy their elders but also because they haven't had to "unlearn" stuff. Things like smartphones are easier for children to pick up because they are learning it for the first time, were as the elder folk are comparing it to something from before, or we at least look at these things with expectations unlike kids do.
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so it's learning more "knowledge" rather than intelligence that's changing

children have more knowledge, not more intelligence
 
I guess so, yeah. It's also worth noting that our ability to learn, consume and store knowledge greatly decreases with age. We're animals of relativity - everything we perceive is relevant to something else, thus we perceive other's "intelligence" against our own. So whilst it may seem that kids are getting more and more intelligent as the generations pass, it's more us finding things harder to learn.
 
Dj_Jestar said:
I guess so, yeah. It's also worth noting that our ability to learn, consume and store knowledge greatly decreases with age. We're animals of relativity - everything we perceive is relevant to something else, thus we perceive other's "intelligence" against our own. So whilst it may seem that kids are getting more and more intelligent as the generations pass, it's more us finding things harder to learn.
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Not that this is what you are suggesting, but its not the 'over the hill' bunch thats complaining. Well not in my experience anyway. I think 'old-age' would just be an excuse. Outside of the metro apps themselves, there is little to relearn. There are very few people that its beyond in my opinion.

No, most of the people complaining are probably 20 to 40-something average joes so its not their ability to learn thats the problem, regardless of whether any of them were to claim otherwise, its stubborness and probably little else. Not that I disagree with some of the criticisms and everybody has a right to want to stick with what works (not that i agree with it as it breeds complacency and staleness).But, I dont agree that windows 8 is the useless mess that some people claim it to be. Its far from it. I mean, people in this thread might not be complaining that the start button is missing, but there certainly have been people who have stated they havent bought the os because of it, or that they would reconsider when its reintroduced.....when we should all have windows keys on our keyboards! Wheres the logic there? Should I not be surprised that the start button is causing such a public backlash?? Lol

Lets hope microsoft can give everybody what they all want, because underneath this PR disaster is still a solid desktop os thats better than windows 7 in just about every way.
 
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Not that this is what you are suggesting, but its not the 'over the hill' bunch thats complaining. Well not in my experience anyway. I think 'old-age' would just be an excuse. Outside of the metro apps themselves, there is little to relearn. There are very few people that its beyond in my opinion.

No, most of the people complaining are probably 20 to 40-something average joes so its not their ability to learn thats the problem, regardless of whether any of them were to claim otherwise, its stubborness and probably little else. Not that I disagree with some of the criticisms and everybody has a right to want to stick with what works (not that i agree with it as it breeds complacency and staleness).But, I dont agree that windows 8 is the useless mess that some people claim it to be. Its far from it. I mean, people in this thread might not be complaining that the start button is missing, but there certainly have been people who have stated they havent bought the os because of it, or that they would reconsider when its reintroduced.....when we should all have windows keys on our keyboards! Wheres the logic there? Should I not be surprised that the start button is causing such a public backlash?? Lol

Lets hope microsoft can give everybody what they all want, because underneath this PR disaster is still a solid desktop os thats better than windows 7 in just about every way.
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Even the 20-40 bunch will not be as quick to learn things as the 5+ bunch :) When I said our ability drops off with age, I didn't mean as we approach retirement age, it's much sooner than that. "Over the hill" as far as learning is concerned starts at about 25 for most - but the effects have been studied at a much earlier age.
 
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Lol FT, made it up, who could have guessed that. Oh wait most of us.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22446754


It will be nothing more than a visible button to the start screen. As well as visible search boxes and as seen in leaks a visible button for all apps.
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The quote at the end of that article "What in effect they've done is compromise the desktop experience to create a great tablet and mobile experience. The problem is that it's the desktop buyers that pay for everything right now."

well its an opinion, not fact, what bugs me most is not so much that some people dont like it, thats fair enough, but this seems to be given as the only point of view, personally my desktop experience has only been enhanced by windows 8, it would be nice to see some positive comments and points of view as they are easy to find if you want to see them, although a lot of us are simply just getting on with and enjoying windows 8, but you wont find anything about that in the media.
 
It hasn't compromised the desktop at all (unless you did things which you shouldn't be doing anything, if you took advantage of jump lists etc. MS own stats show how little start button was used, other than things like power button, the desktop is as great as its ever been, markets that actually chnage has seen strong growth, ie gamers. Which is one of the sat markets not to suffer. Those that do upgrade hardware are almost certainly going tablet, what was it 150% increase in sales first quarter. This is where MS/OEM has ***** up massively. We still can't buy a surface PRo, they are still charging top buck for old tech and aren't ahead of the completion in anything hardware wise. Then for months the few devices you could buy, were not in shops and even now aren't in many shops. Where apple/android is everywhere on the high street.

They've still sold a ton of license and we are still seeing steady growth which is pretty good. Seeing as w7 is amazing, there's no need to upgrade software or hardware these days, it's a drastic change which people don't like, regardless of how good it is. Can I remind you guys once again of XP in the early days.
 
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xp early days when i had a batch file on my desktop containing shutdown -a to stop the random automatic shutdown before they patched that security failure?

XP pre SP1 was utter trash
 
They've sold a boat load of licenses because they include all the copies that are pre-loaded on machines that are still in the warehouses as well as the units actually sold. Sold includes those licenses "sold" to Dell, HP, etc. not just the end customer.

It's quite simple to understand something is up for them to bring it back. They will have supporting metrics and so on.
 
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They've sold a boat load of licenses because they include all the copies that are pre-loaded on machines that are still in the warehouses as well as the units actually sold.
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And you think that's any different to any other license that came before.
And they sold 10s of millions off downloaded license in the opening deal.
Also the second largest OS on steam and one of the few growing every month.
You keep saying they are bringing it back, but they aren't. They are bringing back visual clues only, not the old start button. They are bringing back a visible button to the start screen, they are making a visible button for all apps, they are making the search box visible. Hardly the u-turn you make out.
 
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No, I don't. I'd like to know where and why you've inferred that I do.

I simply pointed out they aren't just doing these changes on a whim. They have reason to do it.

P.S. I don't "keep saying" anything.
 
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Well you inferred it by saying that. It's no different to any other release they all include all license sold, regardless if that's to customers or oem. So if you didnt infer it, it was a pointless statement. Seeing as its sold just under what w7 has at the same point.

Yes you do you keep saying they're bringing the button back. When it's just a button to the start screen, just like they are bringing back visual clueless for other parts of the UI.
 
Yes its inferred it, but without inferring it, as I siad it makes that statement totally pointless.
As the same applies for every license ever sold.

And while we are at it two more large corporate software have now released win8 versions and another police force are triling win8 tablets.

http://www.itnews.com.au/News/342590,tas-police-officers-to-trial-3g-tablets.aspx

http://www.fibre2fashion.com/news/company-news/eurostop-ltd/newsdetails.aspx?news_id=145908

Although I do have to laugh at the news articles saying the pc manufacturers are hopeful on increased sales with 8.1. It won't, the market is slumping and not due to a windows release. It's simply not growing. Where mobile market is massively balooning and yet have been mainly ignored by these oems.
 
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Dj_Jestar said:
No, I don't. I'd like to know where and why you've inferred that I do.

I simply pointed out they aren't just doing these changes on a whim. They have reason to do it.

P.S. I don't "keep saying" anything.
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They are doing it because some people are moaning and can't get use to things being different or missing,I wonder sometimes how some people can ever adapt to new things or changes,unlike me at 50 for example just installed Linux Mint a hour ago on my fouth PC and typing this post,if some people can't handle a simple thing like the old start button menu missing etc...I hate to see them try Linux lol which is not rocket science by any means,fact is some people are lazy and hate change,you can call it what you want or wrap it however which way you like but Win8 is dead simple to use and I mean dead simple,sad when some people can't even handle that.

I wonder how those people will handle Win9,10,11, etc or will Microsoft have to tip toe and do minor changes so not to rock the boat or stress those people out.
 
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I wonder how those people will handle Win9,10,11, etc or will Microsoft have to tip toe and do minor changes so not to rock the boat or stress those people out.
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Just like w7 was to vista, best thing since sliced bread. Change is always hard, humans simply don't like chnage by nature. But you have to stick to your guns on things like this and if MS ever did a proper u-turn it would be the worst descion ever. Thankfully what we've heard so far they are sticking to their guns and its just visual clues they are bringing back.

Whilst making a boat load of improvments, more split screen options and pin start screen to a certain monitor are to much welcomed changes.
 
I'm not bothered about having to learn new software, I'm having to learn loads of software. So I can tell when things are more efficient. I stick with those that are, windows 8 isnt one of them.
 
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