Man of Honour
I can use it on a desktop, but I don't like to use it on a desktop. Hell, I could use a command line OS but that wouldn't be a nice experience either.
Windows 8 Adoption Poor
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I can use it on a desktop, but I don't like to use it on a desktop. Hell, I could use a command line OS but that wouldn't be a nice experience either.
Caporegime
This is a very autistic way of thinking.
Just because you can use it without issues does not mean everyone else has the same experience. This is evident by the myriad of articles/reviews/threads slating the poor UI design.
Caporegime
Do please read my post history, shockingly I've posted in 2 maybe 3 threads discussing windows 8, which is kind of the point of a forum.
As to months and months of whining about it - I upgraded 6 weeks ago, and never mentioned it before that? You haven't posted in this thread apart from to whine about me - I think you're being a little melodramatic deary.
If someone asks about Win 8 it's fair to point out some flaws, I have not mentioned anything that 100 other people haven't pointed out in the reviews online. Now when Elevon/Gareth/Kitch steam in with how wonderful things are I think a little balance is necessary.
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I think you missed the point of what he was saying.
Caporegime
I may well have done.
The best thing about Windows 8 is this handy little menu, hover over the bottom left hand corner until the start picture shows up, then right click to get this menu to display
You can also get to it by pressing windows button + x
For those who cry about Windows 8, I wish they would educate themselves on the differences between "I don't like" and "is utterly awful and crap".
Again, people don't understand the difference between not liking something and something being literally unusable.
Everyone can use it without issues, what does happen though is that some people don't like it, but don't understand that they don't like it.
Reviews, articles and threads "slating poor UI design" isn't an argument against being able to use it with no issue, you're just pointing out that you've read stuff saying people don't like it.
I personally like the new interface, as well as being able to use it with out any problems. I think they could make improvements, but there's nothing actually wrong with it outside of the dreaded issue of "change".
Caporegime
It's entirely subjective to each person who tries it. I found it hair pulling outly annoying at first, 6 weeks later its just clunky and frustrating, I will eventually give up and make the effort to reinstall 7 when time allows, but a 1meg connection makes that less than fun.
Caporegime
I think you're getting caught up with terminology - I can use win 8 but find it frustrating and clunky - am I using it with or without issues? I would say that is using it with issues.
I have no problem with change, I just don't like bad design, and that's the crux of the discussion. MS have pushed a new design, I understand why they've done it, they've forced people to accept this design, and it has polarised people's opinion. Some like it, some don't. Yes you can hash it back into shape with start8 or whatever, yes there are a few new features or varying use, but essentially Win 8 is a re-skinning of Win 7 where they've tried to reinvent the wheel and the effort made feels inadequate.
The previous UI has had years of refinement/evolution, and this new direction may well get better over time, but for now Win 7 (to me) is more useable, cleaner and more logical.
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You can also get to it by pressing windows button + x
For those who cry about Windows 8, I wish they would educate themselves on the differences between "I don't like" and "is utterly awful and crap".
That highlights one of the reasons I dislike Windows 8 tho - stuff (generally more technical stuff) thats easy to find in the first place on Windows 7 has been hidden away behind even more obscure (to varying degrees) key presses or less than intuitive menu/control panel entries. Its sometimes quite a subtle thing but it was what I hated about Vista, stuff that could easily be done on XP was an extra 1-2 steps, sometimes its so subtle its just an extra mental process to remember how to get to it that changed with Windows 7.
your missing the point.
my point is if a person with very limited control over their body and can only control their pc with their head/chin or whatever and can use win8 fine without issues just like win7 then everybody can.
also just because u / some others think it's a poor UI design doesn't mean it really is. it's simplly means liking or not liking it
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Caporegime
Now your point makes sense!
Indeed, I fully appreciate my opinion is just one, but how many people need to not like it to make it a bad design? Perhaps the poor reviews, popularity of software used to remove the new UI put it back as it was, or poor sales might be a better indicator. Time will tell.
if it was a really bad design then hardly nobody would have liked it but that's not the case, there a lot of people that like it.
as for the software used to remove the new UI put it back as it was, u could say the same about the theme/UI changing software for previous OS's.
Associate
To be honest, I think they've done a pretty good job of getting the touch support sorted while keeping the new stuff useful with a keyboard/mouse. Sure, they've got a long way to go but it's a good start IMO.
It's clearly not very popular though.
I think they could've mitigated a lot of the problems by having the default Start menu include shortcuts to Control Panel, My Computer, File Explorer; all of the usual desktop start menu "pinned" items. Then, a separate group pushing the some new Modern apps with their live tiles. At least this might have started the desktop crowd off on better footing (a "oo, what's that" rather than "why are they forcing this on us?"). And a power button on the start screen in addition to the charms menu button might've helped too
It's clearly not very popular though.
I think they could've mitigated a lot of the problems by having the default Start menu include shortcuts to Control Panel, My Computer, File Explorer; all of the usual desktop start menu "pinned" items. Then, a separate group pushing the some new Modern apps with their live tiles. At least this might have started the desktop crowd off on better footing (a "oo, what's that" rather than "why are they forcing this on us?"). And a power button on the start screen in addition to the charms menu button might've helped too
Wonderful is relative,personally I never had an OS that is wonderful or perfect and that includes Win7/8 etc.... or any Linux Distro you can mention, as you know DOS was my first love not Windows OS wise ,my point is Win8 is very usable,UI is not perfect ie Metro part but can be improved and tweaked down the road,I like to see more customization options personally.
I do admire Microsoft from moving away from the generic old style desktop to something new and different,it may not be perfect(what is?) but as I stated something they can build on down the road.
I will say most of the crap about Win8 is things like "desktop is hard to work with" or "you need a touchscreen" or "bring back start button/Aero" etc..all really minor things that are not needed on a Win8 OS that has a workable productive desktop.
End of the day I can do things like I did on Win7 and use same method ie mouse for the most part and keyboard for typing/gaming etc...does Win8 hinder me,no it does not,got to call it as I see it.
One more thing,there is no such thing as a perfect OS or an OS that remains unchanged over time ,things you have to deal with regardless of whether you like it or not.
Difference between myself and Win7 fanboi is simple, I know every OS has faults,but you try and tell a Win7 fanboi that
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To be honest, I think they've done a pretty good job of getting the touch support sorted while keeping the new stuff useful with a keyboard/mouse. Sure, they've got a long way to go but it's a good start IMO.
It's clearly not very popular though.
I think they could've mitigated a lot of the problems by having the default Start menu include shortcuts to Control Panel, My Computer, File Explorer; all of the usual desktop start menu "pinned" items. Then, a separate group pushing the some new Modern apps with their live tiles. At least this might have started the desktop crowd off on better footing (a "oo, what's that" rather than "why are they forcing this on us?"). And a power button on the start screen in addition to the charms menu button might've helped too
I agree with some of what you are saying ie power buttons could have been placed better ,I added mine to Win+X and also on Metro Tiles,the Control Panel etc you could make your own shortcuts etc... but then that does require some work from the average user(your average PC buyer) that would probably not know how to.
I did say no OS is perfect
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i've never said windows 8 is perfect and i've said it needs tweeking. no OS is perfect unless u make it yourself. even win7 was far from perfect,
all you keep saying is win8 UI is poorly designed, which it's not, it's simply that u don't like it.. i could say the win95-win7 UI was very poorly designed, but i don't, it's just simply that i didn't like the win95-win7 UI
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Caporegime
If your argument is simply "it's not poorly designed" then this discussion is pointless.
Although you seem intent on telling me what I am thinking - you are incorrect. I do think it is poorly designed, I have outlined the shortcomings in the previous thread, and the poor design is why I dislike it.
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, how i'm i incorrect when i said you think it's poorly designed? but what i'm saying is just because u / some others think it's a poor UI design doesn't mean it really is a poor UI design (to others). as i said i could say i think the win95-win7 UI was very poorly designed, due to the menu driven UI which was small and very easy miss click on things to open, ect.
win8 UI it's simplified but with the same features as the old start menu, also far less likely to miss click on things to open due to the titles.
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