Windows 8 Adoption Poor

Elevon · 16 Mar 2013 at 17:33

Phil2008 said:
What baffles me is microsoft is forcing people to use the new UI/Metro by not including a option to get the start menu back.

What baffles me is why are you guys hanging onto the old start button like some drug addict,its not needed period,nobody is forcing you to use Win8 so just stick with your old OS and get left behind ,its clear some users can't adapt with the start button missing which says it all,change is change so get use to it.

Rroff · 16 Mar 2013 at 17:40

I don't actually use the start menu that much - most of my commonly used apps are pinned to the taskbar and thats how I like it, the start menu is still more handy for when I need that functionality than the metro stuff - I don't need any of the live tiles, etc. and it takes away focus from what else I'm doing.

Its pretty subtle stuff really but being forced (ignoring you can disable it, etc. with tweaks) to use it isn't progress.

End of the day tho people have very different uses for their PCs and approach to it and Windows 8 tries to push people towards a fairly narrow style of useage thats more in common with how I use my phone or tablet than my desktop PC. Sure theres probably plenty of people whose approach to their desktop PC is more in the style that metro works for that doesn't bother me but its not for everyone for perfectly valid reasons.

gareth170 · 16 Mar 2013 at 17:45

Phil2008 said:
What baffles me is microsoft is forcing people to use the new UI/Metro by not including a option to get the start menu back.

why should MS include a option to get the start menu back? they making money with the market store. in afew years everybody will be using this new UI without any moaning.

Minstadave · 16 Mar 2013 at 17:47

Elevon said:
change is change so get use to it.

It's just sad to keep plodding out this mantra. Are you incapable of independent thought?

Minstadave · 16 Mar 2013 at 17:49

gareth170 said:
why should MS include a option to get the start menu back? they making money with the market store.

Oh so now it's about forcing the market upon people? What an excellent new OS feature. Please remove metro and desktop and just give us the MS market page, call it windows 9 and Elevon will be all over it, change is change don't you know. Throw in some charms and dingle dangles too, keep the kids happy.

Phil2008 · 16 Mar 2013 at 17:50

Elevon said:
What baffles me is why are you guys hanging onto the old start button like some drug addict,its not needed period,nobody is forcing you to use Win8 so just stick with your old OS and get left behind ,its clear some users can't adapt with the start button missing which says it all,change is change so get use to it.

I think Id prefer the metro to the start menu as I have used win8 for a few hrs, but saying that I very rarely use the start menu as I use rockerdock. So Ive removed the "all programs" from the start menu and I just search in the start menu if I need a prog thats not on rockerdock...

But I dont think MS should have banned the start menu completely

Martini1991 · 16 Mar 2013 at 17:52

gareth170 said:
why should MS include a option to get the start menu back? they making money with the market store.

I'm confused why they'd lose the market store with a start menu, it'd just be on the start menu.

I like Metro UI with my tablet, with my mouse and keyboard it's inconsistent depending on the app, the music app for example just feels weird using mouse and keyboard, you instinctively want you swipe (As that's how it's designed)

gareth170 · 16 Mar 2013 at 17:56

Minstadave said:
Oh so now it's about forcing the market upon people? What an excellent new OS feature. Please remove metro and desktop and just give us the MS market page, call it windows 9 and Elevon will be all over it, change is change don't you know. Throw in some charms and dingle dangles too, keep the kids happy.

answer this. even if MS didn't change the UI there will still be people moaning about something else about the os, right? so either way people will moan always.

gareth170 · 16 Mar 2013 at 18:02

Martini1991 said:
I'm confused why they'd lose the market store with a start menu, it'd just be on the start menu.

some people want metro turned off and have the start menu.

so everybody would just switch to the start menu mode from day 1 without using metro.

Martini1991 · 16 Mar 2013 at 18:04

gareth170 said:
some people want metro turned off and have the start menu.

so everybody would just switch to the start menu mode from day 1 without using metro

But that has nothing to do with losing the store, or even losing the apps, it's just that they wouldn't be viewed in the metro UI.

Elevon · 16 Mar 2013 at 18:05

Minstadave said:
It's just sad to keep plodding out this mantra. Are you incapable of independent thought?

Obviously I find it easier then you when it comes to thought and change etc..you are so rigid in thought you can't see past Win8,as to your Win9 remark I will use whatever Microsoft throw at me regardless as long as its stable and has features I need,I could say same thing about my next Linux OS as well but hey you think Win8 is the only OS I use going by your remarks.

Want to take a dig at my Android OS devices as well?..thought not :rolleyes:

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Elevon · 16 Mar 2013 at 18:09

Phil2008 said:
But I dont think MS should have banned the start menu completely

I'm sure they had their reasons,probably was time for a major shakeup and change,anyway be interesting to see how Windows Blue and Win9 pan out,will we get same sort of complaints etc?

gareth170 · 16 Mar 2013 at 18:14

Martini1991 said:
But that has nothing to do with losing the store, or even losing the apps, it's just that they wouldn't be viewed in the metro UI.

but they want a os that looks the same on any device so anybody can pick up any device and know where everything it..

also i said the start menu was way outdated. i've give afew reasons before.

Martini1991 · 16 Mar 2013 at 18:22

gareth170 said:
but they want a os that looks the same on any device so anybody can pick up any device and know where everything it..

also i said the start menu was way outdated. i've give afew reasons before.

Having it look the same is just confusing none technical people though, and it's not like Windows 8 devices are flying out, the tablet market for them is abysmal.
But you haven't actually answered the question, just avoiding it and answered with irrelevant answers.

I was just questioning your point about MS losing the store, which they wouldn't have to do if they'd had an optional start menu, as they could simply have it all there, it's just a different UI.

richb93 · 16 Mar 2013 at 18:43

Phil2008 said:
What baffles me is microsoft is forcing people to use the new UI/Metro by not including a option to get the start menu back.

Baffling indeed. Hopefully they'll backtrack and reintroduce it. For the time being Start8 is a fantastic bit of software. I really have become quite fond of Win8 recently. Last time I tried it (RTM) it seemed like a mess. Perhaps it's because I'm using it on my Mac that I'm enjoying it more (trackpad gestures)

Elevon · 16 Mar 2013 at 18:48

richb93 said:
Baffling indeed. Hopefully they'll backtrack and reintroduce it. For the time being Start8 is a fantastic bit of software. I really have become quite fond of Win8 recently. Last time I tried it (RTM) it seemed like a mess. Perhaps it's because I'm using it on my Mac that I'm enjoying it more (trackpad gestures)

I hope they don't, from what I read they are not bringing it back,reason why we have had it for almost 20 years so was long overdue to go way of the dodo,I want changes and new UI not same generic UI that never changes ie from 95 to Win7 way too long.

gareth170 · 16 Mar 2013 at 18:49

Martini1991 said:
Having it look the same is just confusing none technical people though,

no it would be far less confusing for none technical people Having it look the same on any device..

my mum is a none technical person and she would prefer the layout/UI to be the same on any device.. that way she'll only need to lean once then apply it to any device.

Martini1991 said:
But you haven't actually answered the question, just avoiding it and answered with irrelevant answers.

I was just questioning your point about MS losing the store, which they wouldn't have to do if they'd had an optional start menu, as they could simply have it all there, it's just a different UI.

MS must have had they reasons for not don't making the store as a windows program, maybe security reason or something like gadgets on win7.

gareth170 · 16 Mar 2013 at 18:53

richb93 said:
Baffling indeed. Hopefully they'll backtrack and reintroduce it.

if MS was going to backtrack and reintroduce it they would do it in windows blue or released a file for win8 via windows updates but they are not...

richb93 · 16 Mar 2013 at 18:58

I'm not saying the Modern UI is bad as I'm happily using it. I just find for some tasks such as app launching and system administration I prefer the classic start menu. I only use the Modern UI for apps purchased from the store.

gareth170 · 16 Mar 2013 at 19:02

richb93 said:
I'm not saying the Modern UI is bad, as I'm happily using it. I just find for some tasks such as app launching and system administration I prefer the classic start menu. I only use the Modern UI for apps purchased from the store.

u can right click the bottom left corner which as the system tool ect