Windows 8 Consumer Preview Thread

If that's the case, there will be a lot of converts to Apple and Linux.

If somebody is going to ditch an entire platform for Mac/Linux over something as trivial as Metro they were probably going to anyway. And fair play; you pay your money you take your choice. But Metro will be the least of your worries if you dive into Linux and expect it to be as easy as Windows. And as for Macs, well, it will be an expensive switch for most people. All over some silly little tiles you don't have to look at very often!

Maybe because a jack of all trades is a master at nothing.....

I have always been a huge Windows/PC fan but forcing this tablet garbage on desktop users wishing to have an up to date OS is silly. Give consumers the Starbucks experience, give them choice and flavour!

You have choice! With (literally) one click you're back on the desktop. People seem to think that Microsoft have done the equivalent of slopping iOS on a desktop Mac. They really haven't. I have Outlook, Word, Powerpoint, Visual Studio, Remote Desktop, Hyper-V, Lightroom and God knows how many browser windows running in a typical session on Win 8. If that's mickey mouse then I don't know what isn't. And trust me, if the OS was slowing me down, I'd drop it like a stone because I'm working!
 
If somebody is going to ditch an entire platform for Mac/Linux over something as trivial as Metro they were probably going to anyway. And fair play; you pay your money you take your choice. But Metro will be the least of your worries if you dive into Linux and expect it to be as easy as Windows. And as for Macs, well, it will be an expensive switch for most people. All over some silly little tiles you don't have to look at very often!



You have choice! With (literally) one click you're back on the desktop. People seem to think that Microsoft have done the equivalent of slopping iOS on a desktop Mac. They really haven't. I have Outlook, Word, Powerpoint, Visual Studio, Remote Desktop, Hyper-V, Lightroom and God knows how many browser windows running in a typical session on Win 8. If that's mickey mouse then I don't know what isn't. And trust me, if the OS was slowing me down, I'd drop it like a stone because I'm working!

I get what you are saying, and I understand I can still use desktop programs etc. I have been playing around with the latest preview version of Windows 8 and as a PC gamer I'm not abandoning the Windows platform but I sincerely wish there was an option to disable Metro all together or at least have the "classic" desktop as the first thing I get when my PC boots up rather than the metro thing.

Can you honestly expect power users, IT departments, and even non-technical pc users that just use word and excel to need a flashy metro screen pop up when their machines start, do you need Metro on Windows Server?

I'd say have metro as a default on home versions and for Pro/Enterprise/Ultimate/super duper edition have it disabled by default with an option to turn it on via control panel or something, kinda like how the windows games are not installed by default in Windows Pro.

And yes before anyone comments "why don't you just stick with 7" that is fair enough and I'm sure 90% of businesses will, but under the hood of the OS there have been a lot of improvements such as speed and security and sometimes those are enough for some to warrant an OS upgrade.

Just my two cents :)
 
Windows 8 Home (does not include the Metro UI but has everything else).
Windows 8 Pro (same as above with added functions for networking similar to how XP Pro did but more advanced since home networks are more common these days).
Windows 8 Tablet (includes the Metro UI).

This is what Microsoft should have done in my opinion rather than forcing everybody who users Windows 8 to use this stupid system on desktop PC's.

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Microsoft has already detailed the Windows 8 upgrade route for those buying a new PC, and it's now finally confirmed what everyone else will be paying when they upgrade their existing PC. Those running Windows XP, Windows Vista, or Windows 7 will able to download a Windows 8 Pro upgrade for just $39.99, a far cry from the company's earlier upgrade prices.


A lot cheaper than I was anticipating!

source: http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/02/microsoft-announces-39-99-windows-8-pro-upgrade-offer-for-most/
 
It's just a launch deal, that deals end at the end of jan 2013, what I want to know is the launch deal for full version.
it also sounds like both of those prices will be going up when the promotion ends on January 31st of next year
 
And also, how do these upgrades work? Does it effectively kill the activation of your windows 7 key when you upgrade and activate windows 8?

I've never "enjoyed" and upgrade before so wondering how they make it work.
 
It won't kill your existing key. I'm guessing the upgrade process will be the same online or with physical media. The web installer for Win8 is pretty good but it takes forever. For what it's worth, I upgraded my two year old Win7 install to Consumer Preview and it was fine. Although I would always prefer a clean install which you should be able to do with the physical media.

The price makes sense since the general response has been lukewarm and they want as many people downloading from the app store as possible. For me it's great because I was going to buy the Pro version anyway. It's an absolute steal.
 
I get what you are saying, and I understand I can still use desktop programs etc. I have been playing around with the latest preview version of Windows 8 and as a PC gamer I'm not abandoning the Windows platform but I sincerely wish there was an option to disable Metro all together or at least have the "classic" desktop as the first thing I get when my PC boots up rather than the metro thing.

I completely get that people don't like the change. I wasn't sure at first and I think I even used the word "jarring" myself. But I've personally reached the point where I hardly notice the transitions. The problem is, "disabling Metro" isn't really possible because it's a significant part of the OS now.

Can you honestly expect power users, IT departments, and even non-technical pc users that just use word and excel to need a flashy metro screen pop up when their machines start, do you need Metro on Windows Server?

Do they need Metro? At the moment I would say almost certainly not. There are barely any Metro apps out there worth having. But this will change over time. The deployment method alone will be very interesting to businesses in the future.

As for today, I really don't think if you deployed it on an average workstation it would be the unmitigated disaster people make out. I would say that 95% of the people I deal with fall into one of two categories - the tech-savvy and the not-so tech-savvy.

The savvy folk go all day flirting between XP, Win7, iPads and Blackberries etc. I don't think learning a few nuances of Windows 8 is going to be a showstopper.

The non technical folk tend to learn in a procedural fashion. They will rigidly follow a series of actions to use a computer from pushing the power button, logging in and right through to whatever line of business apps they use.

Obviously there will be some retraining required, but just because people aren't particularly into technology doesn't mean they are stupid and they will get it. The main problem with this group is that the new UI elements aren't particularly discoverable i.e. shutting the computer down. Without some support this group will struggle as they won't, by their nature, experiment with the OS.

My answer to Metro on Windows Server is that people shouldn't be running GUIs on servers anyway, so they don't have a leg to stand on if they start getting cute about Metro.

I'd say have metro as a default on home versions and for Pro/Enterprise/Ultimate/super duper edition have it disabled by default with an option to turn it on via control panel or something, kinda like how the windows games are not installed by default in Windows Pro.

The problem with this is it just doesn't fit within Microsoft's Windows everywhere ambition. They have gone to GREAT lengths to unify their platform - even Windows Phone is now running on the NT kernel and will run (with some modification) WinRT apps. If they fragment the platform by giving enterprises (which are hundred of millions of licenses) a version "without Metro" then, as a developer, are you going to write that great WinRT app knowing that a large proportion of Windows 8 computers can't even run it? I'm oversimplifying here but I hope you get my point.

And yes before anyone comments "why don't you just stick with 7" that is fair enough and I'm sure 90% of businesses will, but under the hood of the OS there have been a lot of improvements such as speed and security and sometimes those are enough for some to warrant an OS upgrade.

Just my two cents :)

I think the reality is a lot of people, and especially businesses, will remain on Windows 7 and use their downgrade option. That's what I would do.

And as for under the hood features in the OS, there are quite a few. Native USB 3.0, file copy windows are miles better, faster boot, Microsoft account, Storage Spaces, baked in MSE, less annoying Windows updates, bitlocker in the Pro version, new chkdsk, new task manager (I've been using Process Explorer a lot less often now), native 4K disk support, native ISO and VHD mounting, hyper-V etc. etc. There are loads of geek features!

I know I come across as a bit of a Microsoft apologist in this thread sometimes, but the truth is I own a PC, a 2009 MacBook Pro, an iPad 3 and an iPhone 4. I try to tell it how it is and use the best tool for the job, and for me on the desktop PC that's Windows 8. When people come on and start shouting that Microsoft have given us a tablet OS I sometimes think, "am I using the same OS?"
 
If you watch the windows phone 8 keynotes, the phones have amazing business features, combine that with win8 tablets and win8 pcs and you have a great ecosystem, it is very easy to convert programs between thes, like everything in business it takes years for change, but I think business will love windows8, most have realized the importance and usefulness of tablets and windows8 phones only adds to the appeal.
 
Anyone looked into the encryption side of Windows 8? We encrypt everything that's portable so if it was built into the OS properly for once it's be a great help.
 
When I first used Metro I really disliked it; however, after developing for it and using Windows 8 further, I've really come to appreciate it more. It's really very similar to Windows 7 when you look at it further. All desktop apps are the same, they will all work the same - they just won't appear in a "start menu"; they will be in the "start screen" instead.
 
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