Woo-hoo, clocks go back this weekend

Pudney · 29 Oct 2018 at 15:02

Faustus said:
Blimey, early to rise and early to bed, I'm hardly likely to change now after sixty odd years. We are usually on the 'ramble' by 08:30, fours hours walk and break for lunch. Under your system I would be kicking my heels for four and a half hours before we could set off then require lunch after only two hours. By the time we got home it would be almost bed time. If it ain't broke don't fix it.

Why don't you eat lunch after 4 hours of walking?

Faustus · 29 Oct 2018 at 15:02

FoxEye said:
I'm sick of being told that we can't do things that are broadly supported, because some special interest group/ minority doesn't like it.

Seriously, pandering to farmers or any other business/minority group when the majority want something to change, is the kind of nonsense that the UK seems good at these days.

Well out of a population of some 65 million people only 319 have signed a government website petition to make the change to permanent BST. That hardly sounds like a majority to me.

Why do you even want to change things, what would you be doing with the extra hour of evening daylight?

FoxEye · 29 Oct 2018 at 15:03

Faustus said:
Blimey, early to rise and early to bed, I'm hardly likely to change now after sixty odd years. We are usually on the 'ramble' by 08:30, fours hours walk and break for lunch. Under your system I would be kicking my heels for four and a half hours before we could set off then require lunch after only two hours. By the time we got home it would be almost bed time. If it ain't broke don't fix it.

Nobody is forcing you to get up at a different point of the day. Nobody.

The only difference is that your clock would read 0930 instead of 0830.

Do you not understand this? Human time is an artificial construct. As you are retired you are not tied to workplace rules for clocking on and clocking off.

Why do I want the clocks to stay forwards? Because I am tied to workplace rules for clocking on and clocking off, and would like to have some daylight after I finish work.

Faustus · 29 Oct 2018 at 15:05

Pudney said:
Why don't you eat lunch after 4 hours of walking?

That would then mess up our evening meal thus pushing back bedtime. It doesn't even bear thinking about.

Pudney · 29 Oct 2018 at 15:06

Faustus said:
That would then mess up our evening meal thus pushing back bedtime. It doesn't even bear thinking about.

Have a smaller dinner and larger lunch. It all seems perfectly fixable to me!

Faustus · 29 Oct 2018 at 15:07

FoxEye said:
Nobody is forcing you to get up at a different point of the day. Nobody.

The only difference is that your clock would read 0930 instead of 0830.

Do you not understand this? Human time is an artificial construct. As you are retired you are not tied to workplace rules for clocking on and clocking off.

Why do I want the clocks to stay forwards? Because I am tied to workplace rules for clocking on and clocking off, and would like to have some daylight after I finish work.

Ah members of the jury, there we have it. You want us to change to suit your requirements at the expense of others. Hmm! flawed logic if you ask me.

Faustus · 29 Oct 2018 at 15:08

Pudney said:
Have a smaller dinner and larger lunch. It all seems perfectly fixable to me!

Walking on a large lunch - I take it you're not a big walker.

FoxEye · 29 Oct 2018 at 15:10

Faustus said:
Ah members of the jury, there we have it. You want us to change to suit your requirements at the expense of others. Hmm! flawed logic if you ask me.

What you are failing to comprehend is that it doesn't matter what the clock reads when you wake up. You will still be waking up at the same fraction of the day. This is what really matters. You will wake and go to bed at the same time. Your routine will not be affected. Your daily activities will not be affected.

That is the luxury you have a retired person.

Literally the only difference to you is that the clock will be an hour advanced. But what does that matter? Do you have some kind of pride at "getting up early" according to the clockface? You'll still be getting up early in the same fraction of the day.

This is hard work.

builder22 · 29 Oct 2018 at 15:15

Foxeye.....just do the reverse of what you say, pretend it’s 8pm when it’s actually 4pm and BOOM there’s yer dinner. Light evenings in December

Pudney · 29 Oct 2018 at 15:27

Faustus said:
Walking on a large lunch - I take it you're not a big walker.

I spent the first 20 years of my life hiking (in mainly the Lake District and various French mountain ranges). One of the best things was justifiably eating pork pies while walking.

Faustus · 29 Oct 2018 at 15:29

builder22 said:
Foxeye.....just do the reverse of what you say, pretend it’s 8pm when it’s actually 4pm and BOOM there’s yer dinner. Light evenings in December

Absolutely correct - nice one. There you are Foxeye, your problem's been solved.

Armageus · 29 Oct 2018 at 15:29

builder22 said:
People moaning about clocks changing because they can’t/won’t change their working hours....then expecting others to ‘just start later’ in the morning.

Faustus said:
Ah members of the jury, there we have it. You want us to change to suit your requirements at the expense of others. Hmm! flawed logic if you ask me.

Sorry for not being unemployed, retired, or being self employed (e.g. a farmer?) whereby I could dictate my hours and get out of bed/plan my day to suit the available daylight.

Offtopic, but also think that Banks, Doctors surgeries and other such services should change their working hours to accomodate those who work 9-5 and would rather have appointments outside of those times.

Faustus · 29 Oct 2018 at 15:31

Pudney said:
I spent the first 20 years of my life hiking (in mainly the Lake District and various French mountain ranges). One of the best things was justifiably eating pork pies while walking.

Hiking and eating a pork pie whilst still a baby - wish I could have seen that.

I'm with you on the pies though. Lovely water crust pastry, nice pork filling, gorgeous if still warm, yummy.

Faustus · 29 Oct 2018 at 15:33

Armageus said:
Sorry for not being unemployed, retired, or being self employed (e.g. a farmer?) whereby I could dictate my hours and get out of bed/plan my day to suit the available daylight.

Offtopic, but also think that Banks, Doctors surgeries and other such services should change their working hours to accomodate those who work 9-5 and would rather have appointments outside of those times.

They already have - banks are now open 24/7 i.e. online banking and G.P. surgeries now offer late evening appointments and weekends. Even the Courts will now be open until 20:00.

Armageus · 29 Oct 2018 at 15:36

Faustus said:
They already have - banks are now open 24/7 i.e. online banking and G.P. surgeries now offer late evening appointments and weekends.

online banking<>appointment with mortgage or loan advisor
a couple of late doctors appointments <> acceptable access for those who work 9-5

builder22 · 29 Oct 2018 at 15:42

Armageus said:
Sorry for not being unemployed, retired, or being self employed (e.g. a farmer?) whereby I could dictate my hours and get out of bed/plan my day to suit the available daylight.

Offtopic, but also think that Banks, Doctors surgeries and other such services should change their working hours to accomodate those who work 9-5 and would rather have appointments outside of those times.

The problem with that logic is the retired/farmer/whatever needs to sync with the rest of the world, who need picked up/dropped off from work/school etc etc. Or just want home to watch Neighbours or something!

413x · 29 Oct 2018 at 16:05

I can understand when people have fixed hours being for or against whatever time. Be it GMT BST etc.

What I can't understand is the farmer argument.
Just because the clock says 6am doesn't mean you have to start your day then.
If they really love GMT winters is there any difference in changing your alarm time to Changing your clock time twice a year?

If I didnt have a job that dictated my hours I wouldnt care about the clocks. I'd start my day at 630am in winter and 730 in summer etc so I had light every 'evening'.

It almost feel like some people think you get mote hours of light or less by changing the clocks in a 24 hour period.

FoxEye · 29 Oct 2018 at 16:12

Faustus said:
Absolutely correct - nice one. There you are Foxeye, your problem's been solved.

Except you're retired and therefore have maximum flexibility, which working people do not have.

"Nice one" indeed.

builder22 · 29 Oct 2018 at 16:13

I’m a retired Scottish farmer and don’t have any flexibility with hours if that makes you feel better

Faustus · 29 Oct 2018 at 16:15

413x said:
I can understand when people have fixed hours being for or against whatever time. Be it GMT BST etc.

What I can't understand is the farmer argument.
Just because the clock says 6am doesn't mean you have to start your day then.
If they really love GMT winters is there any difference in changing your alarm time to Changing your clock time twice a year?

If I didnt have a job that dictated my hours I wouldnt care about the clocks. I'd start my day at 630am in winter and 730 in summer etc so I had light every 'evening'.

NFU Scotland’s current position on Daylight Saving is that “insufficient justification has yet been given to make a change to the current arrangements.”
For our part, we would obviously be particularly interested in the consequences of any clock changes for agriculture and rural communities in Scotland where the impact of winter and summer on daylight hours is most extreme.”

It is important to bear in mind, he said, that regardless of what the actual time is on the clock, there are only a set number of daylight hours available to farmers and crofters in any one day.
The Scottish Government’s established position is there is no substantive economic or social case for any change to existing arrangements, or for different time-zones within the UK.