Woolwich serious incident

Robbo said:
Indeed, that's an interesting watch. Anjem Choudary is absolute scum. Why he's even in the country bewilders me.
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.... and what will that achieve ? Nothing like a refresh of leadership I say.

Send 'em all back is not a solution either.....

bitslice said:
Nothing is going to change, horse's mouth here:

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Exactly. Trust me, even with 0 muslims in this country there'll still be unrest and fear.
 
The Running Man said:
It depends on whether you feel that Islam and therefore the Muslims themselves are a threat to our western freedom. We know that many Muslims are sympathetic to other Muslims seemingly holding them in higher esteem than their fellow country man, with many wishing that the UK was an Islamic state..
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Citation needed.
 
Kouba said:
I'm afraid I haven't Xordium. I have heard that such environments can become heated if challenged and that unfortunately, it is not as simple as you may suggest. Additionally, one simply does not have the time, money and resources (as well as bodyguards) to challenge such groups. Furthermore, before challenging them, one must find them.. and how does one find such groups? With all due respect, It simply seems a bit impractical and somewhat unrealistic. I am not the religious police :cool:
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Firstly, thank you for replying and replying sensibly.

Yes, such environments can become heated when challenged but anyone who holds such strong beliefs will become heated when challenged. I am afraid it is as simple as I suggest. The more radical teachers are well known. I am sure the Muslim community can find the money and time to stop people perverting the message of their god. They find money for luxury items do they not? They find money for holidays and second cars etc. But they can't find the time and money to stop their god and his message being perverted? Sorry that just smacks of apathy and a lack of interest. You may not want to be the religious police but when you sit back and do very little to actively stop it as a community then outsiders can only assume either you partly agree with the sentiment b) are apathetic to the perverting of your religion and therefore it is n't really as important as you say and therefore why should its predominance drive favourable policy towards it, etc.

We do know who the more radical clerics are in this country.
We do know that the Muslims community has a massive amount of people in this country who don't believe the message those clerics spread.
Why do they not picket and challenge them like members of the Muslim community managed to find the time and expense to do in regards to the military action in Iraq and Afghanistan (as did most components of British society).

For what it's worth if any Muslim wanted to challenge people distorting their faith and asked me I'd happily stand by them because whilst I don't believe in their god I do believe on the whole their religion brings positive things to their life and the good things in it are worth fighting for and that anyone who believes something that strongly and the rightness of it should not be afraid to challenge those who pervert its message.
 
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The Running Man said:
We know that many Muslims are sympathetic to other Muslims seemingly holding them in higher esteem than their fellow country man, with many wishing that the UK was an Islamic state..
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No, we don't. All we know is that this statement has been blown completely out the water :)

scorza said:
What protection did the police give to Drummer Lee Rigby then?
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:confused:

Are you for real?
 
badcompany said:
We need a separate prison to hold islamist prisoners so they can't corrupt any other prisoners who tend to be weak minded and easy led.
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It won't work because they'll just infiltrate and recruit in 'normal' prisons. Racial segregation is not the answer and it won't fix a thing.
 
Xordium said:
People seem to have a rather selective memory. Also the accusations in this thread, eg by Craterloads, are about the actual actions of the US not the UK. We use completely different procedures and we also don't do a great number of the things the US does do.
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It's not a mitigation but it seems that lots of people don't show much discernment regarding who they blame irrespective of the views they espouse. Disturbingly large numbers of people in the West appear to think that Sikhs and Muslims are interchangeable for instance, it's probably a similar lack of ability to distinguish that allows people to confuse actions by the US with those of the UK.

Then again if people were capable of nuanced evaluation, showing courtesy and tolerance to their fellow humans and a reasonable level of rational thought we probably wouldn't be having this discussion in the first place.

Xordium said:
I would be the first to say these actions are not representative of the Muslim community because they are not. However, what really ***** me off is British Muslims seem to be able to find a great deal of time to condemn, protest and be vocally challenging towards British foreign policy and yet they can't seemingly find any time whatsoever the actually the challenge the very perversion of a faith they allegedly hold so dear.

This is their god, this is their god's message being corrupted in universities and mosques across the country but never the protest lines there? Surely that should be more important to them ...
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I don't know that they're mutually exclusive options but in terms of sentiment I think I'd be inclined to agree. It's unlikely to be an easy option or one without many issues along the way but perhaps a more vocal condemnation is needed of extremism - to have respected religious leaders say that you have fundamentally (no pun intended) misunderstood your holy book has to carry some weight if you have any pretensions to being religious. If it's just an excuse for violence then it may have no effect whatsoever but without trying a more overt condemnation we're unlikely to know that.
 
Racial segregation is also what many are accusing the Muslim population of doing in society, too. Why would you seek to perpetuate it in prison when you speak out against it in society? :/
 
Gilly said:
Racial segregation is also what many are accusing the Muslim population of doing in society, too. Why would you seek to perpetuate it in prison when you speak out against it in society? :/
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Quite!

WHY WON'T THE MUSLIMS BE A PART OF OUR CULTURE!?

STICK EM IN THEIR OWN PRISONS!

Megaderp.
 
Subliminal Aura said:
Huh? - think! What do you not understand about zero muslims, zero black faces in this country ?

As long as countries like this keep raping the world they'll be a target
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Muslim/Islam is not about race don't make it into a race thing. Foreign policy us not the reason these people act this way search for my previous post on that. It's an excuse to lure and brainwash the young impressionable.
 
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