Woolwich serious incident

[TW]Fox · 27 May 2013 at 19:59

Sho said:
What i would like to know is why did this not get any media what so ever?

If it didn't get 'any media what so ever' then you'd not be able to link us to a newspaper article about it :confused:

Gilly · 27 May 2013 at 20:11

[TW]Fox;24351477 said:
If it didn't get 'any media what so ever' then you'd not be able to link us to a newspaper article about it

Stop applying logic Fox. It's no good to NF/racist/fascist/right wing/whatever louts

dowie · 27 May 2013 at 20:17

Gilly said:
Stop applying logic Fox. It's no good to NF/racist/fascist/right wing/whatever louts

I'm not sure how you'd infer that about the poster quoted by Fox - he was complaining about an attack on a muslim man not getting much publicity. :confused:

nemtizz · 27 May 2013 at 20:22

Sho said:
What i would like to know is why did this not get any media what so ever?

I saw that on the news a couple weeks ago but mmkay.

Gilly · 27 May 2013 at 20:22

dowie said:
I'm not sure how you'd infer that about the poster quoted by Fox - he was complaining about an attack on a muslim man not getting much publicity.

The inference is clear.

You don't have to be white to be racist or right wing.

dowie · 27 May 2013 at 20:46

Gilly said:
The inference is clear.

You don't have to be white to be racist or right wing.

While that is true - how is someone complaining about an attack on a Muslim man not getting publicity now right wing?

Gilly · 27 May 2013 at 20:48

Oh, I wasn't talking about one individual there.

I'm just bored of the mouth breathers in here. They're even worse than the red tops for reactionism.

Muzza1875 · 27 May 2013 at 21:16

deanolfc said:
Swedes Fight Back Or shall we blame the edl.

What a bunch of racist fascist thugs for fighting back :rolleyes:

badcompany · 27 May 2013 at 21:34

this forum is full of left wing loonies and border line extremists just as equally to those of a right leaning persuasion.

As a country outside of that London I would hazard a guess most are towards the right as outside of the cities the conservatives are the most popular. Its only cities with large pools of socially dependent that seem to leer to the left.

dirtychinchilla · 27 May 2013 at 21:50

We're for freedom, not facism.

V F · 27 May 2013 at 21:53

badcompany said:
this forum is full of left wing loonies and border line extremists just as equally to those of a right leaning persuasion.

As a country outside of that London I would hazard a guess most are towards the right as outside of the cities the conservatives are the most popular. Its only cities with large pools of socially dependent that seem to leer to the left.

Are you sure?

dirtychinchilla said:
We're for freedom, not facism.

Freedom comes with responsibility, otherwise it's just anarchy.

robfosters · 27 May 2013 at 21:59

dirtychinchilla said:
We're for freedom, not facism.

Of course we are. But at the same time, the muslim sects who go about screaming for sharia law and whatnot are trying to remove our freedom.

dirtychinchilla · 27 May 2013 at 22:00

But there are very few of them, and they're not taken very seriously.

robfosters · 27 May 2013 at 22:03

dirtychinchilla said:
But there are very few of them, and they're not taken very seriously.

No, until something like this happens. Then they are taken very seriously.

mithrandir · 27 May 2013 at 22:18

The amount of flowers left at the scene looks similar to that when Diana died years ago.

Skunkworks · 27 May 2013 at 22:33

mithrandir said:
The amount of flowers left at the scene looks similar to that when Diana died years ago.

Is there a lifesize inflatable E.T.?

MrMoonX · 27 May 2013 at 22:39

mithrandir said:
The amount of flowers left at the scene looks similar to that when Diana died years ago.

Typical public grief wagon reaction :rolleyes:

Kouba · 27 May 2013 at 22:47

http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2013/05/26/whats-an-imam-to-do

An interesting article regarding what the UK Muslim community can actually do about the few radicalist & extremist groups:

The main points:

An imam is not a military general who can give orders and expect them to be obeyed. He is not responsible for what the people who pray behind him do, unless he actually tells them to do it or tells them it is permissible when it is not. He is not a pope or an infallible spiritual leader whose word is religious (let alone secular) law. He is able to give advice and spiritual guidance but he cannot make his community do anything.

Muslim response to the Woolwich atrocity has been to condemn it outright, with the sole exception, to my knowledge, of the al-Muhajiroun remnants. That’s all they are able to do; they do not have the power to ‘root out’ extremists (as a Muslim I know said we should do on Facebook the other day), many of whom are already known to the security services and none of whom make their plans known to the Muslim community until they carry them out. We cannot run to the police every time we hear some guy come out with an “extreme” view or justify terrorism, or an imam voice an illiberal opinion during a sermon. In today’s Mail on Sunday, it was claimed that the government are setting up a new counter-extremism task force so as to stop extremists using “schools, colleges, prisons and mosques to spread their ‘poison’”, as well as holding mosque committees responsible for their choice of imams. It is noticeable which group is being exempt from responsibility for spreading this ‘poison’ and exaggerating the profile of the tiny group of extremists that still preaches in public: the press.

Blaming mosques, committees or “mullahs” is another way of blaming Muslims in general for the misdeeds of a handful, and I have to say that my non-Muslim friends on social media have been brilliant at avoiding this trap, but both politicians and the media want to score points and responsible policy and reporting does not achieve that — “bold” stances do. The fact is that they know where the extremists and the terrorist plotters are, and who they are, better than the community do. It’s not about an “us and them” attitude, it’s about the remnants of an organised campaign that occasionally manage flourishes of brutality (less frequently than they manage to get locked up).

robfosters · 27 May 2013 at 23:07

MrMoonX said:
Typical public grief wagon reaction

MrMoon, some people think that unless you know someone who dies, you should show no feeling or emotion at their death.

Utter rubbish. A tragedy that shocked the nation. The tributes are justified.

Gilly · 27 May 2013 at 23:32

robfosters said:
MrMoon, some people think that unless you know someone who dies, you should show no feeling or emotion at their death.

Utter rubbish. A tragedy that shocked the nation. The tributes are justified.

Whilst I agree with you, why is it that this particular murder receives this amount of outpouring of grief when others go by without a second thought?