Soldato
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That sounds like returnee talk to me!
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OK if you really wanna know who i am, go on to ukip.org, register and find me on the private forums. My wedding photos are up there.
Caporegime
Two establishment figures toeing the establishment line. Quelle surprise! Would mean more if it came from the corporals and below.
Man of Honour
I like the idea of a mulch-culturalist - can we use that for upselling the job title of what we used to call gardeners in the same way that binmen are now sometimes refuse collection experts?
However just because someone gets to appear on popular media doesn't necessarily mean much regarding their politics. I don't know why they aren't vilified as much in the press, maybe it's Nigel's winning smile, maybe it's that simply in comparison to the BNP they actually look reasonable (possibly a reference point effect distorting the scale), maybe they speak for the "silent majority", maybe they're not viewed as being racist. Pick a reason and it might be right or wrong but it's not exactly something you'd want to bet the house on as evidence that they are or are not a racist party.
In fairness his family have also called for calm - unless they're also establishment figures? I suspect they're damned if they do and damned if they don't for you - if they said nothing then they're not trying and if they give statements such as they have then they're not at the appropriate level. The army is defined by its hierarchy, you will rarely find orders starting at the bottom.
Man of Honour
Strange. I've only just noticed how much the right wing enthusiasts sound like conspiracy theorists.
Wonder what the correlation is.
Wonder what the correlation is.
What the hell has happened to you?
Of course they are racist, or at least highly xenophobic to the point of it being a significant, and if elected, a practical issue. Open your eyes.
[Is this the new tactic for Labour supporters, instead of clutching onto the coat tails of Tories you are now jumping way way ahead of them?]
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Soldato
To be honest, it seems most of this anti-immigration attitude seems to stem from a desire to return to the 40's, a time when specifically white males had privilege - over women, homosexuals & people of ethnic minorities.
As a society people tend to throw temper tantrums when undeserved privileges are removed - the rise in the popularity of UKIP seems to be systemic of that (As people crave this privilege more during times of austerity, or during a perceived slight) - the age distribution (being mostly older white males) tends to lend credence to this theory.
Of course a 60 year old UKIP voting man is going to yearn for a time he was in a position of privilege, of course he is going to think life was so much better for him back then - but ask the average homosexual, ethnic minority or women the same question of that generation & I'd be pretty confident I'd get a different reply.
It's also going to be part in parcel of viewing our history through rose-tinted glasses, forgetting we had much lower living conditions in the past really were, much higher crime, homosexuals were persecuted, domestic violence was incredibly common, women lacked true equal rights, absolute poverty still existed & our infant mortality rates were significantly higher.
I've yet to see any tangible evidence that we have sacrificed some "golden good old days" - the different between people historically not locking doors is more down to our changing social attitudes from the media (we feel afraid of things which objectively are not likely to happen) - in the past they were more likely to happen, but we didn't get fed news on a daily basis reminding us of the fact.
A fearful, isolated & ignorant public is the perfect mix to breed intolerance, xenophobia, racism & stupidity.
As a society we should strive for better ideals than blaming brown people, disabled people or the unfortunate for our shared failings.
As a society people tend to throw temper tantrums when undeserved privileges are removed - the rise in the popularity of UKIP seems to be systemic of that (As people crave this privilege more during times of austerity, or during a perceived slight) - the age distribution (being mostly older white males) tends to lend credence to this theory.
Of course a 60 year old UKIP voting man is going to yearn for a time he was in a position of privilege, of course he is going to think life was so much better for him back then - but ask the average homosexual, ethnic minority or women the same question of that generation & I'd be pretty confident I'd get a different reply.
It's also going to be part in parcel of viewing our history through rose-tinted glasses, forgetting we had much lower living conditions in the past really were, much higher crime, homosexuals were persecuted, domestic violence was incredibly common, women lacked true equal rights, absolute poverty still existed & our infant mortality rates were significantly higher.
I've yet to see any tangible evidence that we have sacrificed some "golden good old days" - the different between people historically not locking doors is more down to our changing social attitudes from the media (we feel afraid of things which objectively are not likely to happen) - in the past they were more likely to happen, but we didn't get fed news on a daily basis reminding us of the fact.
A fearful, isolated & ignorant public is the perfect mix to breed intolerance, xenophobia, racism & stupidity.
As a society we should strive for better ideals than blaming brown people, disabled people or the unfortunate for our shared failings.
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This is what is happening now regardless of UKIP, nice essay though..
Man of Honour
UKIP and their friends the EDL, BNP, etc. are pushing those things more and more though.
Arguably UKIP are the worst of those as they appear to convince some people they're a real party with real ideals. They're much more sly than the others.
Arguably UKIP are the worst of those as they appear to convince some people they're a real party with real ideals. They're much more sly than the others.
Soldato
At least we know what they stand for unlike the main parties
Is there even a term for people who are neither far right, right, far left, left, centre or liberal?
Slytherin?
I think it's more a case of stability, shared values and a shared culture, none of which are present in our current situation.
I never thought I'd see the day when I preferred to live in the UK rather than Sweden, such a catastrophic **** up made by their wet politicians.
Soldato
What have "they"* done to us? I would wager less than we've done to them and what we've done to ourselves.
*Whoever "they" are.
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But what have they done to us? I work on loads of site with immigrant workers, they're generally awesome and hilarious.
Wow you are lucky to have not been replaced by one of them yet but it will happen.
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