Woolwich serious incident

semi-pro waster said:
I'll also repeat my question from before in case it wasn't clear enough - what is the "British way of life" and what parts of it do you want to save?
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This has been done to death but here you go..have a read.
http://projectbritain.com/


No, London is amazing for many reasons, I was just reflecting on the weekend just gone as I visited a few different areas of London and enjoyed myself without seeing any negative aspects of multiculturalism. I thought it worth pointing out since I keep hearing that it's all terrible.
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London is like most citys in the UK **** holes now.

Gilly said:
Nowadays? England has always been a melting pot of different peoples and cultures.
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In your dreams maybe but as I'm older then you I know different :)
 
deuse said:
This has been done to death but here you go..have a read.
http://projectbritain.com/
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You've got closer than some in that you've given me a link but on a first look I'd struggle to pick out much in there that distinguishes Britain from many modern European countries.

I'd certainly put tolerance in the mix as something Britain has historically been very good at but sadly many people who demand a return to British values and the British way of life seem to disagree that it's of value.
 
UncleRuckus said:
I think you'll find that the Moors invaded Italy YEARS after we were invaded so yeah they would have been white.
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You're aware that most Roman armies were comprised largely of mercenaries and auxiliaries from all over the Roman Empire and beyond, right? The Roman Empire stretched from Britain to north Africa and modern day Iraq at its peak. The first black person to visit Britain would almost certainly have come across with the Roman invasion.
 
deuse said:
You glanced at the site and made your mind up? Read it over a few weeks and come back.
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How much time per day do I have to spend in investigating this site? If we can't define the British way of life in any reasonably concise way then how can we expect other people to know what it is? If there's something in particular that I should be looking at that exemplifies the British way of life then perhaps you'd be kind enough to point me towards it?

Part of the reason I say that there's not much I can see to distinguish Britain from many modern European countries is that a number of the customs listed aren't followed by many people, you'd find that many of the food types aren't eaten all that regularly by many British people, Britain has people from all over the World in it and so on. A fair proportion of the site seems to simply be giving facts and figures, which while interesting, don't actually say much about the British way of life hence my request for you to narrow it down a bit.
 
semi-pro waster said:
How much time per day do I have to spend in investigating this site? If we can't define the British way of life in any reasonably concise way then how can we expect other people to know what it is? If there's something in particular that I should be looking at that exemplifies the British way of life then perhaps you'd be kind enough to point me towards it?

Part of the reason I say that there's not much I can see to distinguish Britain from many modern European countries is that a number of the customs listed aren't followed by many people, you'd find that many of the food types aren't eaten all that regularly by many British people, Britain has people from all over the World in it and so on. A fair proportion of the site seems to simply be giving facts and figures, which while interesting, don't actually say much about the British way of life hence my request for you to narrow it down a bit.
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When that discussion was on several weeks ago or so on Question Time, they couldn't explain it either.
 
Tunney said:
You're aware that most Roman armies were comprised largely of mercenaries and auxiliaries from all over the Roman Empire and beyond, right? The Roman Empire stretched from Britain to north Africa and modern day Iraq at its peak. The first black person to visit Britain would almost certainly have come across with the Roman invasion.
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Please tell me which Roman Mercenaries Claudius contracted to invade Britain.
 
V F said:
When that discussion was on several weeks ago or so on Question Time, they couldn't explain it either.
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They didn't want to because the left wants rid of Britain's (or England's) way of life or whats left. If you can't take a look at Britain (or England) over the past couple of thousand years and still not tell it apart from other European countries then you're a lost cause.
 
UncleRuckus said:
Please tell me which Roman Mercenaries Claudius contracted to invade Britain.
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The Roman Legions that participated in the Invasion of Britan and its subsequent occupation are quite well known, they included levied legions as well as the famous Ninth Legion, all of whom would have recruited from North Africa and Nubia, with the Ninth Legion we know that some of its officers were of Arabian and African origin. We also know that 20,000 auxiliaries accompanied the 4 Legions and included Thracians from Southern Europe and Turkey, Egyptians and Nubians from Africa and there is evidence that Roman York had a multiethnic community, including North and Sub-Saharan Africans.

Leach et al. (2009) provide evidence for intense foreign settlement. At one burial ground near Roman York, craniometric analysis revealed that 66% of the individuals clustered most closely with Europeans, 23% with sub-Saharan Africans, and 11% with Egyptians. At another, the proportions were 53% European, 32% sub-Saharan, and 15% Egyptian (Leach et al., 2009).

In a subsequent article, Leach et al. (2010) focus on one burial: a young woman 18 to 23 years old who had been buried between 350 and 400 AD. The authors dubbed her the ‘Lady of York’ because of her stone coffin and its rich array of grave goods, apparently a sign of high status. Nonetheless, her skull showed little or no affinity to any European population, the closest match being a sample of African-American women. Various facial indices showed a mix of sub-Saharan African and European traits, suggesting a person of mixed parentage or perhaps a North African. An African origin is also suggested by the presence of elephant ivory among the grave goods. The authors conclude that this burial “contradicts assumptions that may derive from more recent historical evidence, namely that immigrants are low status and male, and that African individuals are likely to have been slaves.”

Undoubtedly, many Africans rose to high positions in the Roman army. This was especially so for the Nubians, who were prized for their skills in archery. This being said, the Nubians came from the Egyptian culture area and, as such, attached great importance to human burial. In comparison to Europeans of the same socioeconomic status, they would have been more inclined to provide grave goods and to use tombs made from impervious materials.
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http://evoandproud.blogspot.co.uk/2010/07/african-community-in-roman-britain.html
 
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RedDanDoc said:
Do you have any quotes from any unbiased sources ?

Find this a tad interesting that's all.
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Just find and read the source material.

Leach, S., M. Lewis, C. Chenery, G. Müldner, & H. Eckardt. (2009). Migration and diversity in Roman Britain: A multidisciplinary approach to the identification of immigrants in Roman York, England, American Journal of Physical Anthropology, 140, 546-561

The full paper.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19530143 i

Another from Reading Universites Archaelogy dept referencing the same research:

http://www.reading.ac.uk/archaeology/research/Projects/arch-HE-Diaspora.aspx



Out of curiosity, Is there a particular reason why anthropologist Dr Peter Frost is considered biased? and if so, why would that bias influence the source material or research provided by third parties?
 
Castiel said:
Out of curiosity, Is there a particular reason why anthropologist Dr Peter Frost is considered biased? and if so, why would that bias influence the source material or research provided by third parties?
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I only gave it a cursory glance and I may be wrong but the guy comes across as though he has an agenda to push.

I am no Academic myself but If you are biased towards a particular subject then it is possible even subconsciously to pervert source material to your own ends if you know what I mean.
 
UncleRuckus said:
Oh I'm doing a degree in Computing and IT with the OU. This gives me the advantage of a massive online library spanning many, many subjects. :)
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Ok. When you read the paper, why did you get the impression that the data confirming the diversity of the Roman York population was only implied? The papers conclusions are quite clear about confirmation of heterogeneity rather than implication.

One historical piece of information that also supports Tunney's position is that of Septimus Severus when he travelled to Britain, he came with an Army 40,000 strong, partially levied from his expansion of the Roman African Frontier, Severus being African himself.

I think given the evidence available, that Tunny is quite correct in his assessment.
 
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