Woolwich serious incident

Castiel said:
Ok. When you read the paper, why did you get the impression that the data confirming the diversity of the Roman York population was only implied? The papers conclusions are quite clear about confirmation of heterogeneity rather than implication.

One historical piece of information that also supports Tunney's position is that of Septimus Severus when he travelled to Britain, he came with an Army 40,000 strong, partially levied from his expansion of the Roman African Frontier, Severus being African himself.

I think given the evidence available, that Tunny is quite correct in his assessment.
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Castiel said:
Ok. When you read the paper, why did you get the impression that the data confirming the diversity of the Roman York population was only implied? The papers conclusions are quite clear about confirmation of heterogeneity rather than implication.

One historical piece of information that also supports Tunney's position is that of Septimus Severus when he travelled to Britain, he came with an Army 40,000 strong, partially levied from his expansion of the Roman African Frontier, Severus being African himself.

I think given the evidence available, that Tunny is quite correct in his assessment.
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I'm willing to admit that I could be incorrect on this one, it's news to me!

However I remain sceptical of how much difference it actually made to the host's genetics.

It has been noted that anthroposcopic methods are subjective and lack quantification of results
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The results generated by the two different approaches
for ancestral assessment were for the most part in
accord. However, some individuals generated conflicting
data
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From analysing the data

Trentholme Drive I'd also like to point out that only 43 individual's Isotopic evidence derived from the dentition was included, from the bone samples of Approximately 350 inhumations and 53 cremations, only 35% were of any use, which means we are not getting the whole picture here.

What seems as a high percentage is actually a very small amount of people, furthermore I don't agree with the idea that having foreign soldiers in a country makes it diverse.



On Severus, here's his bust. He certainly doesn't look like a fellow of African stock.

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V F said:
When that discussion was on several weeks ago or so on Question Time, they couldn't explain it either.
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I can't say I'm surprised, there's a nebulous idea about what it is perhaps but trying to define appears to be almost impossible and what signifies "British" to one person will frequently be different to another.

PooBrain said:
They didn't want to because the left wants rid of Britain's (or England's) way of life or whats left. If you can't take a look at Britain (or England) over the past couple of thousand years and still not tell it apart from other European countries then you're a lost cause.
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I can see the history as distinct but the way of life on an everyday basis for a great many people will be broadly indistinguishable from that of a Frenchman or a Belgian or... Any differences may be more pronounced for rural dwellers than for those that live in a city but even then I think there will be more in common than separates us.

deuse said:
Already said. Though it looks to me you've already made your mind up of what it should be.
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You said read it over a few weeks which is rather vague - I'm curious to know how much time I should be spending on it. It doesn't look hugely involved, I read a good dozen pages there by the time of the response you quoted and most were facts and figures about population sizes, what currency is used, some foodstuffs and their costs, a few Saints days, what stereotypes there are and why they are (mostly) incorrect etc - there didn't seem to be much that you could use to define Britishness in that which is why I'm asking what it is you think is important there?
 
UncleRuckus said:
Had a look at the source, there's lots of language like "perhaps", "infers" and "possibly".
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That's called science... Almost all science papers use words like that widely, from Anthropology, Geoscience/climate change to Physics. Unfortunately most people never realise as they only read stories in the media, who replace those words with more certain words...:(
 
semi-pro waster said:
You said read it over a few weeks which is rather vague - I'm curious to know how much time I should be spending on it. It doesn't look hugely involved, I read a good dozen pages there by the time of the response you quoted and most were facts and figures about population sizes, what currency is used, some foodstuffs and their costs, a few Saints days, what stereotypes there are and why they are (mostly) incorrect etc - there didn't seem to be much that you could use to define Britishness in that which is why I'm asking what it is you think is important there?
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Go to the home page lots more there. This topic is getting side tracked.
And all these people going on about the romans\Vikings ect you do know that 72% of GB stayed British(so it says in a BBC program)
 
The Romans and whole Mediterranean as well as North Africa and Persia were populated by white people (as white as Germans) until the Moors over-ran everywhere and they became mixed.
 
This is from a couple weeks ago for example

http://news.yahoo.com/mysterious-minoans-were-european-dna-finds-151455582.html

To test that idea, the research team analyzed DNA from ancient Minoan skeletons that were sealed in a cave in Crete's Lassithi Plateau between 3,700 and 4,400 years ago. They then compared the skeletal mitochondrial DNA, which is stored in the energy powerhouses of cells and passed on through the maternal line, with that found in a sample of 135 modern and ancient populations from around Europe and Africa.
The researchers found that the Minoan skeletons were genetically very similar to modern-day Europeans — and especially close to modern-day Cretans, particularly those from the Lassithi Plateau. They were also genetically similar to Neolithic Europeans, but distinct from (modern day) Egyptian or Libyan populations.
 
deuse said:
Answer what I asked pages back ;) and you know what British is. Well if you don't I feel sorry for you.
And yes you do know what it was and no don't play dodge ball again.
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I believe I asked you several times to quantify what it was you wanted from me.

I don't know what I think racists think is British.

I think British is what it has always been. A multitude of different people and cultures.
 
kwerk said:
This is from a couple weeks ago for example

http://news.yahoo.com/mysterious-minoans-were-european-dna-finds-151455582.html

To test that idea, the research team analyzed DNA from ancient Minoan skeletons that were sealed in a cave in Crete's Lassithi Plateau between 3,700 and 4,400 years ago. They then compared the skeletal mitochondrial DNA, which is stored in the energy powerhouses of cells and passed on through the maternal line, with that found in a sample of 135 modern and ancient populations from around Europe and Africa.
The researchers found that the Minoan skeletons were genetically very similar to modern-day Europeans — and especially close to modern-day Cretans, particularly those from the Lassithi Plateau. They were also genetically similar to Neolithic Europeans, but distinct from (modern day) Egyptian or Libyan populations.
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What does that prove? That Cretians of 4000 years ago (Santorini is right next to Crete) are similar to those that live there today, who we know are similar to europeans but distinct from north Africans. Which makes sense as Crete is in Europe...
 
deuse said:
I did ask you and other have to but here goes.

You say that UKIP is racist now I want proof of this and NOT your opinion.

But you will try to wrangle out of it as normal :(
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I provided plenty of evidence as have many others.

If you choose not to see it as such that is your lookout. Do you expect them to write up their manifesto saying 'we are racists and hate all ****s and ******s'?
 
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