Woolwich serious incident

Xordium · 19 Jul 2013 at 20:18

Yep, I've never seen teeth come out - mainly fractures to ulna, radius and clavicle.

I was guessing Freakbro has never restrained someone hence why he was asking but you never know whether he has in some capacity.

Well there you go Freakbro - 3 lots of experience in a medical capacity and 2 lots of experience in a military and no-ones seen teeth come out yet!

Maybe Burnsy will chip in and give his say - but after the other day I am thinking he is in hiding.

Dis86 · 19 Jul 2013 at 20:33

Xordium said:
Yep, I've never seen teeth come out - mainly fractures to ulna, radius and clavicle.

I was guessing Freakbro has never restrained someone hence why he was asking but you never know whether he has in some capacity.

Well there you go Freakbro - 3 lots of experience in a medical capacity and 2 lots of experience in a military and no-ones seen teeth come out yet!

Maybe Burnsy will chip in and give his say - but after the other day I am thinking he is in hiding.

Just had a word with my step-father who's a police officer. He's seen it happen once but it was due to the prisoner struggling and slamming his own face off the floor intentionally. To prevent the guy doing any more damage to himself my dad had to put his hand under this guys face which resulted in a broken bone in his hand and cuts to the back of it where it scraped on the ground. Even with his hand there the guy still managed to break his own nose. He did agree with what you've said though that the majority are injuries to the collar bone and forearm/wrist and unless this guy was kicking off majorly then he's probably received a kicking.

Quick note, the teeth didn't come out completely, they were broken.

MrMoonX · 19 Jul 2013 at 20:39

Having been a prison officer for 10 years before I got sick or the BS and left, there is no way you can smash someone's teeth in doing c&r, these stupid ex-millitary screws probably punched him in the mouth, it's **** like that is part of the reason I jacked it in

Freakbro · 20 Jul 2013 at 06:52

Xordium said:
Yep, I've never seen teeth come out - mainly fractures to ulna, radius and clavicle.

I was guessing Freakbro has never restrained someone hence why he was asking but you never know whether he has in some capacity.

Well there you go Freakbro - 3 lots of experience in a medical capacity and 2 lots of experience in a military and no-ones seen teeth come out yet!

Maybe Burnsy will chip in and give his say - but after the other day I am thinking he is in hiding.

Aye, that's what I suspected.

It was a genuine question (and for the record, no I have not had to officially restrain a violent person) but of course I understand physical injury is very likely to occur, I'm not that much of a bleeding heart liberal

But knocking teeth out (ok, now reported as broken) is a pretty specific forceful act that didn't seem to quite fit with standard restraint techniques to me.

Btw, what happened with Burnsey the other day?

Xordium · 20 Jul 2013 at 08:13

Freakbro said:
Aye, that's what I suspected.

It was a genuine question (and for the record, no I have not had to officially restrain a violent person) but of course I understand physical injury is very likely to occur, I'm not that much of a bleeding heart liberal

But knocking teeth out (ok, now reported as broken) is a pretty specific forceful act that didn't seem to quite fit with standard restraint techniques to me.

Btw, what happened with Burnsey the other day?

You never know lots of people I know have done door work for a little extra cash.

I don't think it will take a genius to figure out what went on, unfortunately when you champion basic human rights for people who deserve them you have to start the fight with people who don't really deserve them - it's just a pity this will be more taxpayers money down the drain.

MrMoonX · 20 Jul 2013 at 08:42

Xordium said:
You never know lots of people I know have done door work for a little extra cash.

I don't think it will take a genius to figure out what went on, unfortunately when you champion basic human rights for people who deserve them you have to start the fight with people who don't really deserve them - it's just a pity this will be more taxpayers money down the drain.

Human rights don't discriminate, everyone "deserves" them :confused:

G|mp · 20 Jul 2013 at 08:46

Has Burnsy knocked someones teeth out?

Devlish · 20 Jul 2013 at 09:15

Couldnt happen to a nicer guy.

Amnesia · 20 Jul 2013 at 11:12

Well the prison officers have been suspended.

The fact that that prisoner has a certain amount of notoriety makes no difference to them, because they're professionals, and they deal with every prisoner in the same way, using control and restraint,

Xordium · 20 Jul 2013 at 11:17

MrMoonX said:
Human rights don't discriminate, everyone "deserves" them

Some people would argue that when you commit an atrocity like this chap did you waive your human rights. It is to those I would address the point. I accept I could have phrased that better - let me try again.

Unfortunately when you champion human rights you have to start the fight championing the cause of those who do not respect those rights for other people.

Does that make more sense?

EdwardSnowden · 20 Jul 2013 at 11:35

Muslims aren't the problem the problem is the British and western governments who have for hundreds of years been exploiting and profiting from genocide. All led by those who can't be named.

RDM · 20 Jul 2013 at 11:36

EdwardSnowden said:
Muslims aren't the problem the problem is the British and western governments who have for hundreds of years been exploiting and profiting from genocide. All led by those who can't be named.

Why can't they be named?

Castiel · 20 Jul 2013 at 11:42

RDM said:
Why can't they be named?

Because he hasn't invented them from his over active imagination as yet.....forward planning seems not to be his strong point.

dowie · 20 Jul 2013 at 11:43

Its possible surely that his face has impacted the floor when being restrained? It doesn't necessarily indicate foul play/cheeky blow to the face from a dodgy prison officer using the disturbance as an excuse to have a pop at him...

Then again it doesn't look good and certainly warrants a serious investigation.

Is the suspension an indication that this incident was dodgy or is it more routine when anything like this needs to be investigated?

spankingtexan · 20 Jul 2013 at 11:47

Here's hoping they have to restrain him a few more times until he has to suck his dinner up through a straw. No sympathy here, only for Lee's family.

RDM · 20 Jul 2013 at 11:48

Castiel said:
Because he hasn't invented them from his over active imagination as yet.....forward planning seems not to be his strong point.

I have my suspicions that he is a returnee and that those who cannot be named are a certain ethno-religious group that have been the favourite scapegoat of the far right for quite some time now...

d_brennen · 20 Jul 2013 at 11:49

EdwardSnowden said:
Muslims aren't the problem the problem is the British and western governments who have for hundreds of years been exploiting and profiting from genocide. All led by those who can't be named.

lol@you

Go on, enlighten us :rolleyes:

Castiel · 20 Jul 2013 at 11:55

RDM said:
I have my suspicions that he is a returnee and that those who cannot be named are a certain ethno-religious group that have been the favourite scapegoat of the far right for quite some time now...

Yep, we only have to look at his latest contribution to SC to validate that.

HAz · 20 Jul 2013 at 11:56

EdwardSnowden said:
Muslims aren't the problem the problem is the British and western governments who have for hundreds of years been exploiting and profiting from genocide. All led by those who can't be named.

Oh dear, and your name says it all really :rolleyes:

Destination · 20 Jul 2013 at 12:54

MrMoonX said:
Having been a prison officer for 10 years before I got sick or the BS and left, there is no way you can smash someone's teeth in doing c&r, these stupid ex-millitary screws probably punched him in the mouth, it's **** like that is part of the reason I jacked it in

I've seen teeth out for all manner of reasons, its not likely, but if he was being restrained and was fighting free, its possible his head came into contact with a table edge, or similar surface, at a specific angle it can take teeth out.
Doesn't happen often, but teeth do get knocked out, and more commonly it isn't a fist has taken them.

Also the guy is non-Caucasian, so he has a higher likelihood of gum disease, he is also fundamentality Islamic, so he might directly follow the Holy Book, which had writing involving cleaning ones teeth with 'a stick', which if the only form of cleaning might lead to rapid deterioration.

There could exist reasons why his teeth might not be able to withstand much of a knock, but its simply a case of 'perhaps' and 'maybes', and frankly I don't care. I just don't want my taxpaying money paying for an investigation, or worse, compensation for this murderer.