Woolwich serious incident

Xordium · 23 May 2013 at 10:18

spoffle said:
Why? It seems like quite a sensible suggestion.

Yes, and it has occurred before when that young chap from the Staffs Regiment was shot at Lichfield City train station a long time ago by terrorists.

Judgeneo · 23 May 2013 at 10:18

One of the reasons I am against organised religion.
RIP

cheechm · 23 May 2013 at 10:19

Gilly said:
To be honest I think your major mistake there was trying to apply logic to the actions of the EDL

I guess you're right. Although I don't understand how someone can't have the powers of reasoning or even realise their self-awareness....

beachBOYken · 23 May 2013 at 10:19

have they named the suspects yet?

spoffle · 23 May 2013 at 10:19

scorza said:
Is that a serious theological question?

I thought I'd dial it aaaaaalll the way down to Jason's level, something to get him scratching his head in conflicted feelings of two different religions.

Craterloads · 23 May 2013 at 10:20

Xordium said:
That is really poor logic even for you. It is VERY different.

Why is it different

It assumes the chap had killed innocents - we don't know this.

No it doesnt. He was a serving member of the opposing Army.

To take your position to its logical conclusion it now means I can come around your house and kick the **** out of you because you are Muslim and so were the people who did this.

No it doesn’t, not even remotely comparable. I’m neither a soldier or a fighter of any sort nor aligned to any fighting force. As opposed to the people involved in the incident where one was a soldier and the others self-proclaimed members of the opposing fighters/soldiers.

Now that would be pretty daft of me to because I then would be assuming you held not only the same beliefs as those two but also would perform similar actions. See that is prejudicial - I would attributing the actions of a few Muslims onto all Muslims. In the same way you support and explain these actions by saying it is the same when it quite clearly is not.

You're comparing a civilian to a serving member of the Army that is currently/have been at war against opposing fighters.

The fact is people like you justify this action and spend more time trying to explain it than castigate it in the strongest terms. The fact is people like you in doing so allow radicalisation to flourish unchallenged and lightly challenged and therefore propagate such things.

Not justifying anything, just pointing out the double standards. It's heroic and brave our soldiers kill opposing members of the opposite side regardless of if in non combatative situations yet it's somehow evil when the tables are reversed. My personal opinion is both are just as evil.

Maybe just maybe if you spent the time on you do on here doing something more fruitful like challenging all the radicalised preaching in this country then maybe just maybe people like me would believe that Muslims are doing all they can do address the issues that come from their communities. Until then I see you and the Muslim community as a big part of this problem.

Guessing you are an ex-military man? Maybe if you spent less time justifying wars on foreign lands we wouldn’t be in this situation. Maybe if people like you challenged orders instead of doing as told we wouldn’t have this problem.

Sliver · 23 May 2013 at 10:21

Jason2 said:
First the Jew and then the Gentile.

The Jews rejected Christ as a false profit, and they were there and saw and heard him. Yet two thousand years later, you somehow decide he was a sky god in human form and want to 'follow' him. Yeah, ok.

Gilly · 23 May 2013 at 10:21

Craterloads said:
No it doesnt. He was a serving member of the opposing Army.

Opposing whom?

Are we at war with Somalia (if indeed that is where they are from)?

B&W · 23 May 2013 at 10:22

When all this started in 2001 it was mainly a Afghan/Pakistani thing. as the years have progressed this thing is weaving its way through the different Muslim communities.

it looks like they were of Nigerian descent if you check on the news the country is fighting these kind of scum.

the good news is that they're less popular than they ever have been but the bad news is that this makes it even harder for them to get caught

Narj · 23 May 2013 at 10:22

steve55 said:
why is it a hole now?

*sigh* why do people always have to go fishing for inflammatory material with loaded questions? Is there a competition here or something?

http://www.police.uk/crime/?q=Woolw...Greenwich, London SE18, UK#crimetypes/2013-03

Obviously that's just the reported stuff. Lovely place.

spoffle · 23 May 2013 at 10:22

Xordium said:
Yes, and it has occurred before when that young chap from the Staffs Regiment was shot at Lichfield City train station a long time ago by terrorists.

Pretty much, otherwise if there's more of these people and they are genuinely targeting people who are serving in the army, then they may as well be wearing a bullseye with a flashing neon sign that reads "I'm over here".

cheechm said:
I guess you're right. Although I don't understand how someone can't have the powers of reasoning or even realise their self-awareness....

You make the mistake of grossly underestimating the sheer stupidity of a lot of the members of the general public.

It literally amazes me how stupid so many people can be.

robgmun · 23 May 2013 at 10:23

spoffle said:
Christ was a Jew and followed Judaism, why aren't you Jewish?

Because Christ transcended Judaism and the Jews didn't follow him, so Christs follows created a new religion (two if you count Roman Catholics).

I thought that was obvious?

d_brennen · 23 May 2013 at 10:23

Craterloads said:
Maybe if people like you challenged orders instead of doing as told we wouldn’t have this problem.

If only this were the case... maybe the human race wouldn't need religions and armies at all

cheechm · 23 May 2013 at 10:23

It seems that what a lot of posters haven't realised is that not all Islams are these so called "Islamofacists". These people have a completely different ideology and it's quite discouraging to realise that there are several here who can't quite see the difference. You can't honestly pin down radical behaviour to one religion in the way that has been done.

Jason2 · 23 May 2013 at 10:24

Craterloads, you are a disgrace. Are you saying we should stand by and allow your fellow people to constantly kill innocent people? To treat women like crap? Do you? Well, I say rubbish to that. It is our duty to protect these people. If that makes me an enemy to Muslims, then so be it. We will not allow them to continue with these evil atrocities.

krooton · 23 May 2013 at 10:24

Sliver said:
The Jews rejected Christ as a false profit,

Jesus Christ, evading tax since 0AD

Admiral Huddy · 23 May 2013 at 10:24

Sliver said:
The Jews rejected Christ as a false profit, and they were there and saw and heard him. Yet two thousand years later, you somehow decide he was a sky god in human form and want to 'follow' him. Yeah, ok.

You're starting to go off topic again. Create another thread should you really want a jewish/christ debate.

Shayper · 23 May 2013 at 10:24

Woolwich isn't that much of a hole, they have a lovely Nandos there.

spoffle · 23 May 2013 at 10:24

robgmun said:
Because Christ transcended Judaism and the Jews didn't follow him, so Christs follows created a new religion (two if you count Roman Catholics).

I thought that was obvious?

Maybe my post was a little too subtle for some folk.

Jason2 said:
Craterloads, you are a disgrace. Are you saying we should stand and allow your fellow people to constantly kill innocent people? To treat women like crap? Do you? Well, I say rubbish to that. It is our duty to protect these people. If that makes me an enemy to Muslims, then so be it. We will not allow them to continue with these evil atrocities.

No he isn't, and I think that it's fairly obvious that he isn't.

Jason2 · 23 May 2013 at 10:25

Sliver said:
The Jews rejected Christ as a false profit, and they were there and saw and heard him. Yet two thousand years later, you somehow decide he was a sky god in human form and want to 'follow' him. Yeah, ok.

Jesus cannot return until the Jews accept Christ as the messiah. You should read the prophecies before forming an argument.

"For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.'"