Woolwich serious incident

Shayper said:
If you honestly believe that people are defending the two that did this then there is no hope, you are clearly blinded by your hate :)
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There are people in this thread giving examples of British troops wrong doing. That is what you do in defence of an action. That shouldn't be relevant in this case, because the perpetrators themselves were British and living in Britain.

In fact that is the real problem with friendly Islam today. Not enough are prepared to publically vent their angst at such actions. It's like they are scared of their own faith and it's followers.

The Ottoman empire wouldn't have tolerated this, that's for sure.
 
I'm sensing the muslamic ray guns song making an appearance. Anyway back to work this has been somewhat enlightening as usual.

GJ huddy and Gilly keep it up!
 
Gilly said:
You stated that they targeted a serving soldier.

I told you that they didn't know he was a soldier until after they'd purposefully run him over.
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They targeted him because he was wearing a "Help The Heroes" top.

Just wait until they start targeting our children, lets see how much patience people have then.
 
OldCoals said:
You opinion that this was just two nutters.

That stated what their motivation was.
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As, I'm sure, would the man who stabbed the guy in Birmingham - he was a racist.

My point is that this is ultimately "just" a stabbing. Yes, the victim was a soldier. That's terrible. Yes, it was in front of a school. That's also terrible.

I can understand why this is leading to debate about whether Islam contributed to this and what that means for the religion, but surely jumping from that to "terrorist atrocity" is a big leap?!
 
Arthur Hucksake said:
There are people in this thread giving examples of British troops wrong doing. That is what you do in defence of an action. That shouldn't be relevant in this case, because the perpetrators themselves were British and living in Britain.

In fact that is the real problem with friendly Islam today. Not enough are prepared to publically vent their angst at such actions. It's like they are scared of their own faith and it's followers.

The Ottoman empire wouldn't have tolerated this, that's for sure.
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No it isn't.
 
Gilly said:
The various news sites that have reported it.

What 'they' said was "are you a soldier?" after they got out of the car having run the victim over.
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So they suspected he was a soldier and asked him if he was a soldier after hitting him, guess thier suspicion were right then?

If they knew he was a soldier then why not fight soldier to soldier? Why do they feel the need to attack an un-armed man by surprise in such a barbaric way?
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Again that the kind of double standards and hypocritism i was talking about. We do it all the time in Afghanistan and its deemed heroic, Euro Fighter Typhoon vs man with an AK. Why not fight soldier to soldier? Drones killing un-armed men not in combatative situations = heroes.
 
Craterloads said:
So they suspected he was a soldier and asked him if he was a soldier after hitting him, guess thier suspicion were right then?
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Suspicion.

Doesn't sound like it was this planned attack on a serving soldier that you're making it out to be.

Arthur Hucksake said:
They targeted him because he was wearing a "Help The Heroes" top.
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Where has this been reported? I'm unaware of this being confirmed as the driving force behind the attack.
 
Gilly said:
The various news sites that have reported it.

What 'they' said was "are you a soldier?" after they got out of the car having run the victim over.
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I find it highly unlikely that they ran over a random person, and then decided to brutally murder him upon learning he was a solider.
 
A difference exists between understanding the causal factors which led to this incident & excusing/permitting the behaviour as justifiable.

An array of factors could have led to this event.

1. Extreme religious indoctrination (concept of Jihad being one element/martyrdom)
2. Our foreign policy abroad & the actions of the west in the middle east.
3. A lack of empathy.
4. Mental illness (which it's expression took the above as it's form).

The reasoning behind the target selection (which from the sounds of it wasn't done perfectly, but that could be due to incompetence or stupidity) does appear to be politically motivated (albeit careless & capable of killing people even they don't think should be involved) - not that it excuses it (for them, or when the west has killed people abroad for it's own 'reasons')

The lack of empathy & extremist ideology (coupled with the concept of martyrdom) would have in part at least some of the reason behind the chosen method (I would assume).

Just hating the west doesn't cause this behaviour, neither does disagreeing with our foreign policy abroad or strongly opposing our actions which result in civilian causalities globally.

I don't support our activity abroad, but neither do I support this kind of barbarism in response either - both are wrong, both result in the deaths of fellow human beings & both happen for a reason (not a good one either).

Let's not be as silly to write off behaviour as "evil" & close the book on the matter.
 
Craterloads said:
So they suspected he was a soldier and asked him if he was a soldier after hitting him, guess thier suspicion were right then?

Again that the kind of double standards and hypocritism i was talking about. We do it all the time in Afghanistan and its deemed heroic, Euro Fighter Typhoon vs man with an AK. Why not fight soldier to soldier? Drones killing un-armed men not in combatative situations = heroes.
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Your posts (and opinions) really are some of the most ridiculous I've ever seen.

Absolutely, utterly pathetic.
 
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