Woolwich serious incident

[Sliver]

This

Not 'this' at all. We don't know why they targeted him yet as we don't have all the facts. They could have been watching the barracks for some time trying to pick a victim.

 

[Xordium]

The answer was in my reply, why do i or anyone shoulder more responsibilities than others, to resolve the actions of people you have no connection to apart from a underlying "hobby" that you dont
necessarily play by the same rules.

When you sort out Bridger get back to me.

Err, you are completely missing the point ...

You are happy to shoulder the responsibility for justifying attacks by radicalised Muslims ...

But you are not happy to shoulder the responsibility for preventing atrocity.

 

[Craterloads]

I find it highly unlikely that they ran over a random person, and then decided to brutally murder him upon learning he was a solider.

Or randomly run over someone and then randomly out of the blue ask if he was a soldier.

After being involved in numerous car accidents vie never felt the need to ask the victim if he was a soldier.

 

[deanolfc]

THE fsa terrorists in Syria who we are funding are doing the same day in day out.

 

[TwsT]

Just wait until they start targeting our children, lets see how much patience people have then.

You mean like the white people that randomly stab our children on buses in city centers? or White non mulsim kids that killed jamie bulger.

I'm sorry but our children have been victims of random acts of violence for many years.

Have you read the papers at all this year?


This is another random act of despicable violence. It's not supported by the Muslim community nobody but these two *******s plotted this attack.

 

[Craterloads]

Err, you are completely missing the point ...

You are happy to shoulder the responsibility for justifying attacks by radicalised Muslims ...

But you are not happy to shoulder the responsibility for preventing atrocity.

I'm not justifying the attack. Get it through your skull.

The attacks were appalling, the worst sort of scum you can imagine.

 

[beachBOYken]

So they suspected he was a soldier and asked him if he was a soldier after hitting him, guess thier suspicion were right then?



Again that the kind of double standards and hypocritism i was talking about. We do it all the time in Afghanistan and its deemed heroic, Euro Fighter Typhoon vs man with an AK. Why not fight soldier to soldier? Drones killing un-armed men not in combatative situations = heroes.

the suspects were not soldiers!

 

[Flipt]

A difference exists between understanding the causal factors which led to this incident & excusing/permitting the behaviour as justifiable.

An array of factors could have led to this event.

1. Extreme religious indoctrination (concept of Jihad being one element/martyrdom)
2. Our foreign policy abroad & the actions of the west in the middle east.
3. A lack of empathy.
4. Mental illness (which it's expression took the above as it's form).

The reasoning behind the target selection (which from the sounds of it wasn't done perfectly, but that could be due to incompetence or stupidity) does appear to be politically motivated (albeit careless & capable of killing people even they don't think should be involved) - not that it excuses it (for them, or when the west has killed people abroad for it's own 'reasons')

The lack of empathy & extremist ideology (coupled with the concept of martyrdom) would have in part at least some of the reason behind the chosen method (I would assume).

Just hating the west doesn't cause this behaviour, neither does disagreeing with our foreign policy abroad or strongly opposing our actions which result in civilian causalities globally.

I don't support our activity abroad, but neither do I support this kind of barbarism in response either - both are wrong, both result in the deaths of fellow human beings & both happen for a reason (not a good one either).

Let's not be as silly to write off behaviour as "evil" & close the book on the matter.

You have just hit the nail on the head, and couldn't have said it any better myself!!

 

[jimferno]

So they suspected he was a soldier and asked him if he was a soldier after hitting him, guess thier suspicion were right then?



Again that the kind of double standards and hypocritism i was talking about. We do it all the time in Afghanistan and its deemed heroic, Euro Fighter Typhoon vs man with an AK. Why not fight soldier to soldier? Drones killing un-armed men not in combatative situations = heroes.

I'm sure you're trolling...

 

[Xordium]

Let's not be as silly to write off behaviour as "evil" & close the book on the matter.

I am not. However, I am rather interested why Muslims like Craterloads will spend not time ensuring a message of peace is being spread and a whole lot of time with apologist explanation of atrocity.

Don't you think maybe a concerted effort by people such as Craterloads who see this act as deplorable may solve future problems. That is presuming they do see it as a problem or are not apathetic to it.

Islam as a large religion is a relatively recent addition to this country in its number of followers there is a onus on them to adjust just as much as the country to adjust for them. Maybe with all the laws and allowances made one way there could be a whole lot more given back the other way. Maybe if Crateloads and his mates attended radicalising talks on mass to challenge them then the indoctrination would decrease. Call it a civic service and a demonstration of the truth of their faith.

 

[jsmoke]

Did I read somewhere that the victim was muslim himself or was from the same country as attackers? What's victims profile?

 

[Xordium]

I'm not justifying the attack. Get it through your skull.

The attacks were appalling, the worst sort of scum you can imagine.

Yes you are - you are giving reasons citing double standards and spending more time on here doing so in one day forwarding that argument than you have spent tackling radicalism in your whole life.

Speaks volumes.

 

[Threepwood]

Whatever nonsense they were hiding behind, I don't really know what they were trying to accomplish. If anything, it shows them for what they are. Thuggish cretins who needed to be put down.

Pretty obvious to me that they were trying to make a political (not really religious) point.

The words 'sorry that women have to see this, but in our land the women have to see this too' seem to reflect that.

Was he not suggesting that this [murder] is what is happening in muslim countries, to muslims? and that it should be seen?

Why did they only attack the suspected soldier (yes could have been anyone but they must have took their time choosing the most likey to be a soldier.) Why did they not make a bigger scene by killing more people? Civvies etc?

 

[Arthur Hucksake]

You mean like the white people that randomly stab our children on buses in city centers? or White non mulsim kids that killed jamie bulger.

I'm sorry but our children have been victims of random acts of violence for many years.

Have you read the papers at all this year?


This is another random act of despicable violence. It's not supported by the Muslim community nobody but these two *******s plotted this attack.

It's all about perception.

If this attack was carried out by two random nutters and there was no mention of God, Religion or foreign policy it would be just another murder.

You wouldn't have the dumbass EDL out on the street for a start and EDF Energy getting bombarded with threats on twitter.

 

[mehuk]

What will it take for people to grow some balls and stop being PC idiots?

When our children are being butchered in schools? I suppose thats OK, as the Children might not be mates with old Abdul from down the road.

Im done with being tolerant, I dont like them, but I just tolerated them being around - now thats gone, too many chances and I hope more and more people in the UK will start to stand up for themselves.

My grandad didnt fight in the war for this country for the government to now tell our troops to 'cover up showing that you are a soldier'... what a joke, these men give their lives to serve us, protect us and now they have to be ashamed of that because we allow Islamic nutters roam our streets and steal our taxes!

Imagine if people dressed up as Hitler during WW2 and walked around London saying 'you deserve to be bombed'...

 

[Locky]

Did I read somewhere that the victim was muslim himself or was from the same country as attackers? What's victims profile?

There is a picture of the poor fellow on the inet.

 

[Muzy]

how many times did i say this in the past.

Those Wehabbi / Selefi Muslims are ****ing cancer. the attackers of Woolwich are from this sect.

yet the British and westerns govs support them fully, example: Freedom Army of Syria, Saudi Arabia..etc the list goes on.

if you really that serious about the future of England / THE UK. then start act now and change the ****ing gov way of supporting those evil cancer sect.

 

[Arthur Hucksake]

Pretty obvious to me that they were trying to make a political (not really religious) point.

The words 'sorry that women have to see this, but in our land the women have to see this too' seem to reflect that.

Was he not suggesting that this [murder] is what is happening in muslim countries, to muslims? and that it should be seen?

Why did they only attack the suspected soldier (yes could have been anyone but they must have took their time choosing the most likey to be a soldier.) Why did they not make a bigger scene by killing more people? Civvies etc?

"In our lands"... that's what makes me laugh. Where is his land?

Last time I checked, it's only militant Islamist Nigerians carrying out such acts
in his land.

They either knew him personally or it was because he was wearing a Help the heroes top.

 

[MookJong]

A difference exists between understanding the causal factors which led to this incident & excusing/permitting the behaviour as justifiable.

An array of factors could have led to this event.

1. Extreme religious indoctrination (concept of Jihad being one element/martyrdom)
2. Our foreign policy abroad & the actions of the west in the middle east.
3. A lack of empathy.
4. Mental illness (which it's expression took the above as it's form).

The reasoning behind the target selection (which from the sounds of it wasn't done perfectly, but that could be due to incompetence or stupidity) does appear to be politically motivated (albeit careless & capable of killing people even they don't think should be involved) - not that it excuses it (for them, or when the west has killed people abroad for it's own 'reasons')

The lack of empathy & extremist ideology (coupled with the concept of martyrdom) would have in part at least some of the reason behind the chosen method (I would assume).

Just hating the west doesn't cause this behaviour, neither does disagreeing with our foreign policy abroad or strongly opposing our actions which result in civilian causalities globally.

I don't support our activity abroad, but neither do I support this kind of barbarism in response either - both are wrong, both result in the deaths of fellow human beings & both happen for a reason (not a good one either).

Let's not be as silly to write off behaviour as "evil" & close the book on the matter.

THANK YOU, somone actually taking a rational look at this situation. One of the only people in this thread I can even relate to.

 

[Gilly]

these men give their lives to serve us, protect us and now they have to be ashamed of that because we allow Islamic nutters roam our streets and steal our taxes!

What on earth...?