Working? thats the point!?

[AtreuS]

Working? Whats the point!?

Oh dear oh dear... have you heard the excuses these two come up with...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7816500.stm

How about instead of watching tv, going on the internet ( free i assume ) and smoking baccy ( i thought they had no money? ) they get off their arse and go do ANY job... "i need the right kind of job"... erm no you fat bloater you need ANY JOB!

Why do these kids think they are entitled to lounge about and do nothing and claim benefits when they do nothing to help themselves? ok they live in a deprived area but from the way they are talking there IS work, he just doesnt think its right for him. They have no money yet find time to smoke and eat excessively ( seen the size of him? ) and moan about life, yet he cant even get out and exercise in all his free time. Awww he had to walk 3 miles as he missed the bus!

And dont go on about me being anti-fat, i was as big as him and did something about it. You dont stay that weight by eating cheap starvation-cost food, they obviously dont skimp on pie and chips.

/ahhh rant mode off- feel much better now (im self employed and have to force myself out of bed each day to find work, i could easily sit on my arse and moan about the lack of work... instead i actually put myself out there and find it. It does get you down though, and then you have to watch this kind of drivel on the bbc! - and before any smartarse asks "so how come you are posting here at 11.30 on a wed?" ive been to the dentist this morning and im just at home having an early lunch before i goto some jobs

 

[aardvark]

the people are scum - it should be work or starve, i'm happy with that.

 

[Surfer]

i think once some people get into a cycle of hopelessness about their situation its very hard for them to break out of it. Not excusing them for what they are doing but if the system lets them do it then we can hardly blame them for taking advantage of it.

Perhaps there should be closer links between unemployment office sectors and areas of industry where there is high demand for workers = re-training for jobs which are needed?

 

[Sonea Fifer]

I understand your rant and agree - but I dont blame them. Who do you think has instilled their minds with the idea that it's not worth working? Their parents? The government?

"I'm not doing factory work" he says, why not?

"Dont think the social would pay for me to go to college" she says. Have you enquired?

They just seem lazy to me - I'm sure if the government introduced a scheme where by anyone claiming jobseekers allowance after 12 months had the allowance cut completely that these two would be working.

 

[Surfer]

im sure JSA does stop after X amount of weeks - doesnt it? (been a while since ive been unemployed)

 

["andy"]

I understand your rant and agree - but I dont blame them. Who do you think has instilled their minds with the idea that it's not worth working? Their parents? The government?

"I'm not doing factory work" he says, why not?

"Dont think the social would pay for me to go to college" she says. Have you enquired?

They just seem lazy to me - I'm sure if the government introduced a scheme where by anyone claiming jobseekers allowance after 12 months had the allowance cut completely that these two would be working.

he gives reasons why he wont do factory work. good reasons but not good enough when hes sat there whinging that hes skint.

shed lose benefits going to college

 

[Cosimo]

“Both left school at 16 without any qualifications”, so it’s not just the system that has failed them.

 

[LeJosh]

We all get skint, do we like it? No.

Do we do something about it? Yes.

I don't really think it's fair for many people who work and work and work to earn whilst people such as these don't but get handed money. For what reason? They don't add anything to society but waste of housing. Or perhaps I'm just bitter...

Most of the reasons are self-inflicted, no qualifications. He says he doesn't like factory work? ...Beggers can't be choosers?

 

[Sonea Fifer]

he gives reasons why he wont do factory work. good reasons but not good enough when hes sat there whinging that hes skint.

Exactly my point, and thats not reasons he's giving - thats excuses.

shed lose benefits going to college

How ever long term she would be in a much better position to gain employment with the qualifications under her belt. Won't her boyfriend support her financially and make up the short fall in benefits with "factory work" while she's at college?

Think we all know the answer to that one eh?

 

[shauncr91]

Nothing ****** me off more than people who are on benefits and throw money down the drain on fags

 

[scorza]

Good article. Doubtless everyone here will slate them for their appalling attitude but there are some good points made about how difficult society makes it for young people in the unskilled worker marketplace:

I've worked at a few places but I got laid off from [the last one] because there are immigrants that have come into our country and are working for cheaper, so that caused us to be all laid off because we're on more of a wage.

Uncontrolled immigration has been a disaster for the low paid in this country. My understanding is that laying people off and replacing them with lower paid workers is illegal? If companies treat their low paid workers like dirt, is it any wonder that they have trouble recruiting...

At the jobcentre they don't help you out much. They tell you to get a job and stuff like that, but then they just tell you to look on the [electronic] 'job points'. I'd like them to help me out better

This point was made by a few people here this week.

Everything that's in the newspaper, you need qualifications

This is backed up by Carl saying he needs a licence to be a security guard. WTF since when?

At one place I turned up to do a night shift, then the next day they said they were full up and didn't need me. I had to go home, it was about three miles and I'd missed the last bus.

"Then after that you have to restart your benefits and you haven't got a clue where you are with anything

I've heard this before on a documentary about young unemployed people. More rights are needed for temporary workers imo. Unless they tell him beforehand he's not needed they should have a duty to make sure he can get home ok - especially for night work. Worse still, the benefits system doesn't appear to be flexible enough to cope with temporary work, so people are actually getting penalised for seeking work!

 

[Snakedoctor]

I have a "friend" who has been claiming all of their life. I have been trying to get them into work for years. Now they have been given money from the DLA for "mental" and "physical" problems. Yes she is a bit of a loon at times and had a dodgy knee (which is actually better now) but the amount they have given her (plus back pay) is fairly large and she can now afford her fags and weed thanks to them. I have worked all my life and now she is getting pretty much the same amount of money as I do yet does nothing all day apart from getting stoned.

 

[Adsta]

“Both left school at 16 without any qualifications”, so it’s not just the system that has failed them.

tbh this component is the sticking point for me.

If they couldnt be bothered to work at school then how in the world do they expect to get by now ? because they are lazy.

Some people do get in that lazy routine and dont even realise it. As noted

"Dont think the social would pay for me to go to college" - Have you gone and asked ? Its not that hard to do...

"I'm not doing factory work" - Why not money is money. He did give some reasons but they was bull crap tbh

"given up on factory and agency work because it is so unpredictable"
"Then after that you have to restart your benefits and you haven't got a clue where you are with anything,"

erm yea ok.

also i loved this line.

"It's just pointless getting up, by the time you've got up, you've paid your bus fares and made your sarnies and all that you're left with £100 a week, and it's just, you wouldn't be able to get by. By the time you've paid all your bills you're left with nothing, £30 or something"

at the moment they are living on 95.90 per fortnight.

Erm I R MATH !

lol thanks for the link tho made me laugh

 

[=VTA=MANFACE]

Why blame them ? Blame the government.

 

[platypus]

"I'm not doing factory work" he says, why not?

It says in the article. The insecurity and unpredictability.

 

[Mobius 1]

maccy d's are usually recruiting. at least he wouldn't have to travel far for lunch. he'd be in his element working there. unless they don't have an outlet near there..

 

[Solari]

im sure JSA does stop after X amount of weeks - doesnt it? (been a while since ive been unemployed)

A guy down the road from me has been on benefits, I assume JSA for at least 4 years. He doesn't lift a finger and has just got his gf popping out sprogs Makes me so damned angry knowing my taxes are paying for him to slob around and breed

 

["andy"]

I've heard this before on a documentary about young unemployed people. More rights are needed for temporary workers imo. Unless they tell him beforehand he's not needed they should have a duty to make sure he can get home ok - especially for night work. Worse still, the benefits system doesn't appear to be flexible enough to cope with temporary work, so people are actually getting penalised for seeking work!

its happened to me before when doing temp work furing the summer. turn up. get told your not needed. go home with no pay minus your travel costs. i needed the money though so i was back again the next day

 

["andy"]

tbh this component is the sticking point for me.

If they couldnt be bothered to work at school then how in the world do they expect to get by now ? because they are lazy.

ever thought that not everyone gets the chance to go to a decent school like the majority of us on here probably did ?

theres plenty of schools out there where hardly anyone leaves with any qualifications worth noting.

one of the main problems that couple has is there location. they need to leave and get jobs if they ever want a better life

 

[EffBee]

I think I need to pour a large dose of cold water on this thread to cool it down.

There's always the "Unemployed are scum and deserve to startve to death on the streets" brigade. And there's always the "ahh - bless them, society has let them down and they deserve our love" brigade.

The truth is somehwere in between.

BUT

George Bernard Shaw in his play Pygmalion made a distinction between the DESERVING poor and the UN-DESERVING poor.

People who genuinely want to work, are prepared to train hard, work hard at finding employment (and it is a full time job in itself), apply themselves when they find work, don't attempt to cheat the benefit system, and so on... deserve all the help as a society we can give them.

Nothing is more frustrating than wanting to work and being willing to do practically anything but not being allowed to due to lack of opportunity.

Others with a bad attitude (like this couple) deserve to have their life made difficult over benefit payments at the very least.

Also, remeber anyone over 40 who is out of work has particular problems, and being 50 and out of work may mean you never work again no matter how keen you are. Younger people on these forums need to take that on board. If you are in the IT industry you are old at 35!

Also, it must be remembered we have been living through bad times for the past six months and it will probably be another 18 months before we get back to anything like normal.

Every unemployed person claiming benefits is a unique person with their own story. I'll bet there are unemployed people lurking on these forums seething at the sanctimonius, ill informed, self righteous, arrogant opinions of the some of the young brats on these forums.