Working? thats the point!?

[Indy500]

It’s incredibly sad to think so many people are growing up with no goals or ambitions to succeed in life.

Unfortunately for me I have been off work for the last few weeks because of a chest infection followed by truly horrendous cracked ribs, am now high as a kite on pain killers but am missing work terribly. Can’t wait to get back, and honestly couldn’t imagine life without work.

I don't like slaving away for companies with attitude problems in their leadership, expecting one person to do 5 different roles while paying minimum wage. Some jobs obviously are worth working hard 40 hours a week for but I don't think that describes the majority of roles.

In other words, most of the time I found myself working to live, not the other way around. I have done plenty of charitable stuff in my spare time when I was in better straits (for example, volunteering with the NHS), and I did actually enjoy those duties.

40 hours a week is time I could be spending raising my children so I'm afraid I can't agree with your statement. I think being there for them as a good father is a better achievement than bringing home £100k every year to spoil everyone.

Further comments here: http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13259956&postcount=35

 

[teulk]

I havent read the link in the OP but i think that sometimes the reluctance to work is this - the money they earn initially from a job may only be a few pounds more than what they are getting on benefits , hense the attitude of why bother working all those hours for £10 a month or week less than what i get now on benefits when i can sit around and do nothing........

 

[helpimcrap]

things like that annoy me. i'd LOVE to go work but i can't.

 

[Greebo]

I havent read the link in the OP but i think that sometimes the reluctance to work is this - the money they earn initially from a job may only be a few pounds more than what they are getting on benefits , hense the attitude of why bother working all those hours for £10 a month or week less than what i get now on benefits when i can sit around and do nothing........

That is the problem with our benefits system especially if you have kids. We have a single mum with two children working at my place and for her to be better off than been on benefits she needs to earn more than £14,000 per annum.

In fact we offered her promotion last year and an increase to £19,000 but she said she would lose all the rest of her benefits and would be no better off but would have a harder job so she turned it down.

 

[platinum87]

get used to it

youd all disagree with alternatives to stop this kinda thing anyway, so whats the point?

 

[Chimerical]

get used to it

youd all disagree with alternatives to stop this kinda thing anyway, so whats the point?

Lol, for once I agree with you.

If you're mean what I think you mean that is.

I hate how unemployed people are called scum and are 'bringing the country down'. There will always be people that don't work, its a fact of life and nothing new.

Then people start going "oh but I only mean to call the people who've never had a job scum" blah blah blah. As said, unemployment could happen to anyone. Those that have never worked, christ knows how they got into that situation. It seems that there needs to be more help given in getting unemployed people back into work or to start work, as opposed to just cutting their cash off and leaving them to starve or something.

These benefits threads keep cropping up; I honestly don't know what different information people want on the situation. I've suggested its related to the education system before, but that either gets ignored/flamed & people just want to type their "OMG SHOOT THEM" comments.

 

[Sinny]

It really depends what the work is and If it offers any incentive to actually work rather than being just somewhere to go.

I dont really see any truth in the interview though, go on the Internet and look for jobs isn't something they'd likely do.

If I was in his situation I'd do anything for work except work with food.

 

[frosty03]

I dont get it.

There are PLENTY of things that need doing which require no training. They are already receiving benefits, so the state should put them to "some" use. Be it picking up litter, tidying up a park, going into a nursing home and just TALKING to the residents, helping the elderly with their shopping, animal shelters etc etc. It wouldnt be "employment" per se, but voluntary work in kind for benefits.

 

[Sweetloaf]

He could get a job on a pig farm, as a big fat lazy pig, cause that's what he is, a fat pig.

Stupid fat pig

In fact, it sounds like a creature comforts thing, it shoulds be made into one. He could be a fat pig in it.

 

[arknor]

I dont get it.

There are PLENTY of things that need doing which require no training. They are already receiving benefits, so the state should put them to "some" use. Be it picking up litter, tidying up a park, going into a nursing home and just TALKING to the residents, helping the elderly with their shopping, animal shelters etc etc. It wouldnt be "employment" per se, but voluntary work in kind for benefits.

the last time i had a gander at unskilled labor out of curiosity just about everything required an nvq in something, even shelf stacking

 

[dymetrie]

This is backed up by Carl saying he needs a licence to be a security guard. WTF since when?

Edit: security guards usually require either experience or a level 4 SIA certificate (or other security-related qualification).

That's crazy. When I was a uni a few of the lads got security jobs with very little in the way of documentation. Would have thought a standard BC check would be sufficient for most security jobs, which costs next to nothing.

Yup, anyone working in the Security Industry now needs to be licenced, whether it's door security, patrolling or CCTV, it's all covered by the Security Industry Authority and you have to be licenced.

It costs money but most decent security firms will organise and fund the training (then reclaim it through a percentage of your wages for a short while) so it is possible to get into security without having to pay up front for the licence.

The reason behind it is to ensure that all security workers are registered and properly trained. It also makes them accountable for their actions, and the punishments can be quite severe and will also affect the company as well as the individual.

Nothing much to add to the thread other than this

 

[frosty03]

the last time i had a gander at unskilled labor out of curiosity just about everything required an nvq in something, even shelf stacking

even so, there remain plenty of voluntary type work anyone can walk into.

There should be a requirement to do a minimum amount of such work to continue on benefits...

 

[Chimerical]

even so, there remain plenty of voluntary type work anyone can walk into.

There should be a requirement to do a minimum amount of such work to continue on benefits...

How are you supposed to get on with finding a job then? If you're wasting time on voluntary stuff.

 

[Hellsmk2]

How are you supposed to get on with finding a job then? If you're wasting time on voluntary stuff.

Voluntary work is a very good foundation to build a CV on. You can claim your benefits and get some good references down for the future, when hopefully you'll land a paying job and come off benefits.

Also, how do you think people with real paying jobs change their jobs? They don't quit to soley concentrate on searching; humans are rather good at doing multiple things.

 

[uber soldat]

The increased pressure on the unemployed during this time of recession will only lead to a Massive increase in crime, That Crime will be directed against you people with Money, decent jobs & houses, Sad but True.
It really does no good at all constantly berating these kinds of poeple, If they had any decency about them then they would be trying like **** not going in the papers to talk about it, They would be ashamed to be quite ******* honest.
Including All unemployed in the same category as Scum like this is really not fair & does the unemployed people who are trying damn hard No good whatsoever.
Remember people it could be Any single one of you that is Unemployed by the end of the year.

These particular people are clearly chav scumbags though.

 

[LEK-89]

As far as i know there is no limit to know long you can claim JSA if you are unemployed, but i do remember when i was on it 2 years ago when i just finished college the job centre people do hammer it down saying that please do your best to look work etc and when i first applied for JSA i'm certain they first told me that if i have not found a job afer 6 months then they look into my job seeking record & decide if they still want to pay me JSA etc (incase they suspect you have not been looking for work properly or if you have not bothered writing down your job searches in the booklet). Last i heard a few months ago was that the government were going to put a limit on it that if you have not found work after 12 months i think they said is that your JSA would be stopped. In my opinion i think they should impose new rules for the JSA system as now its starting to get right out of hand, i've known plently of people in the last few years who have cheated the JSA & have never got caught or got there benefits stopped.

Liam

 

[Sanguinnus]

I always have such mixed emotions about these sorts of situations, my natural reaction nowadays is to toe the "they're all scumbags line" or the "i dont pay taxes to support them" arguments however having been on incapacity for 2 years for genuine reasons I do accept that not all are able to work and that sometimes it is acceptable to not work as long as there is a valid reason.

I do think a big part of it is the desire to work, laziness certaily is a factor, but one thing I did take out of the whole dole experience is that unless you actually want to work and better yourself you won't. There is not a single thing on this earth more depressing that being on the dole, you don't live you exist and nothing more. I can sortof empathise how that could form a cycle that it would be difficult to get out of.

Like I say I find it hard to condone it but I also find it hard to completly blame them either. Each individual case is certainly different and those 2 from the video do seem to have sunk into a depressive cycle, they're certainly not the worst that the benefit system supports.

One thing that does anger me even more than the complete dole scroungers is the completly unreasonable holier than thou attitude a lot of posters in this thread have, yes some dole scroungers are scum and are leeching off us taxpayers, however imho blanket generalising everyone on the dole as scum is just wrong. Nothing in this world is ever as black and white as that.

 

[I get around]

They're typical lazy spongers. Blame the government, blame the asylum seekers, all their mates are unemployed. Can't think of a decent excuse because they're idiots.

If you leave school at 16 with no qualifications, theres nothing wrong with that, i have mates who have gone straight into unskilled work, but don't expect a decent job, you need training to do a decent job, suck it up and get off your arse.

Benefits are there for people genuinely in need while they look for a job, not for people to live off of.

 

[frosty03]

How are you supposed to get on with finding a job then? If you're wasting time on voluntary stuff.

1) you're not "wasting time", you are contributing to society and gaining new skills....

2) there are 8h in a day, of which 1 or 2 can be used to find a job, and on days which you have an interview, with notice, i'm sure you can have time to inform the voluntary org that you wont be coming in on that day....

3) I find it very hard to believe that "job seekers" spend 8h per day 9am-5pm mon-fri "actively" looking for a job, that they dont do anything else.

If so, then it wouldnt be too much to work a voluntary job in the evenings or weekends....

4) it gives you time to establish a "track record", so employers know you are responsible and reliable, and HARD WORKING. In the course of voluntary work, you may even come across actual job opportunities.....

 

[4T5]

I can completely understand now The question Why bother working.

Take my own personal situation.
I have completly changed my life around & have finally got a job. The job started on December 5th, Since then I have been paid Once, A Pittance.
Up till now I have recieved demands for Rent, Poll Tax & numerous other bills. With my Food & Leccy I have less money than when I was on the dole.
So I am Worse off even though I work nights between 11pm & 8am over the weekends doing work & shifts that nobody else wants.

The Only thing I am getting out of it is My Self Respect but then that is constantly Hammered by the Drudgery of life this low down on the wage scale & the knowledge that things just won't get better any time soon.
Never mind though a I only have 22 years before I retire