Working? thats the point!?

[C64]

Is that an n96 phone he has ?.

I will say one thing about the benefits system, there is training available to gain licenses and certifications but only for the long term unemployed.

Training and the ability to get certifications should be available to anyone that is unemployed.

It's being wasted or not taken up because long term unemployed cant be bothered and often quit the training and don't see it through.

I'm currently unemployed and would love to take up some training but am told it's only for people signing on for 3 years or more.

The only training or help available are things such as learn direct which teach you how to write an email etc... well you get the picture.

 

[4T5]

Every unemployed person claiming benefits is a unique person with their own story. I'll bet there are unemployed people lurking on these forums seething at the sanctimonius, ill informed, self righteous, arrogant opinions of the some of the young brats on these forums.

Well said mate, There are also people that are working like me who feel the same.

 

[Greebo]

I'm sorry I have no sympathy for them. He could get a job if he wanted but only the lucky few ever get their ideal job in life eg Eastenders.

As for her saying that she has to smoke baccy cause she couldn't afford two packets of fags a day on her dole money. Give them up.

 

[Indy500]

Is that an n96 phone he has ?.

I will say one thing about the benefits system, there is training available to gain licenses and certifications but only for the long term unemployed.

Training and the ability to get certifications should be available to anyone that is unemployed.

It's being wasted or not taken up because long term unemployed cant be bothered and often quit the training and don't see it through.

Thats great if you're unqualified altogether like these two young men, but what about the rest of us? "Basic skills" isn't going to help get an accounts job, for example.

There's next to nothing in the London area in particular due to cutbacks.

OP, if you looked at the bigger picture, you'll find that PFI corporations and civil servants are far bigger leechers than benefit claimants. The former are actually supposed to be doing something for all those billions so I see them as the true problem.

Edit: security guards usually require either experience or a level 4 SIA certificate (or other security-related qualification).

 

[C64]

Thats great if you're unqualified altogether like these two young men, but what about the rest of us? "Basic skills" isn't going to help get an accounts job, for example.

There's next to nothing in the London area in particular due to cutbacks.

There's all sorts of courses and training available which I wouldn't class as basic such at certain driving licenses trades and so forth, BUT only to the long term unemployed.

If you train or get qualifications in an over saturated market such as IT then of course it's going to take longer to get a job.

Job snobbery people highly qualified turning their noses up at work that's beneath them are just as bad in my opinion.

 

[4T5]

The increased pressure on the unemployed during this time of recession will only lead to a Massive increase in crime, That Crime will be directed against you people with Money, decent jobs & houses, Sad but True.
It really does no good at all constantly berating these kinds of poeple, If they had any decency about them then they would be trying like **** not going in the papers to talk about it, They would be ashamed to be quite ******* honest.
Including All unemployed in the same category as Scum like this is really not fair & does the unemployed people who are trying damn hard No good whatsoever.
Remember people it could be Any single one of you that is Unemployed by the end of the year.

 

[Indy500]

There's all sorts of courses and training available such at certain driving licenses trades and so forth.

Yeah, if you have lots of money to spend..

If you train or get qualifications in an over saturated market such as IT then of course it's going to take longer to get a job.

I'm against over-specialising in one line of work. However, at the moment I don't think any one field is over-saturated, we're simply seeing the effects of importing millions of immigrants to do low-level jobs. A lot of these are actually reasonably educated and will soon encroach on professional sectors as well...

 

[C64]

Yeah, if you have lots of money to spend..

Nope totally free to the long term unemployed.

The immigration is there to keep wages low, all part of the grand keeping poor people down plan.

My virgin media engineer that called round the other day barely had a grasp of english and didn't even know basic things about his job, he didn't even know what a UBR was.

Which makes me wonder how he even got the job over a an English speaking competent person.

But I wont go in to that.

 

[teaboy5]

I think I need to pour a large dose of cold water on this thread to cool it down.

There's always the "Unemployed are scum and deserve to startve to death on the streets" brigade. And there's always the "ahh - bless them, society has let them down and they deserve our love" brigade.

The truth is somehwere in between.

BUT

George Bernard Shaw in his play Pygmalion made a distinction between the DESERVING poor and the UN-DESERVING poor.

People who genuinely want to work, are prepared to train hard, work hard at finding employment (and it is a full time job in itself), apply themselves when they find work, don't attempt to cheat the benefit system, and so on... deserve all the help as a society we can give them.

Nothing is more frustrating than wanting to work and being willing to do practically anything but not being allowed to due to lack of opportunity.

Others with a bad attitude (like this couple) deserve to have their life made difficult over benefit payments at the very least.

Also, remeber anyone over 40 who is out of work has particular problems, and being 50 and out of work may mean you never work again no matter how keen you are. Younger people on these forums need to take that on board. If you are in the IT industry you are old at 35!

Also, it must be remembered we have been living through bad times for the past six months and it will probably be another 18 months before we get back to anything like normal.

Every unemployed person claiming benefits is a unique person with their own story. I'll bet there are unemployed people lurking on these forums seething at the sanctimonius, ill informed, self righteous, arrogant opinions of the some of the young brats on these forums.

I am sure over the next 24 months a lot of these so called young ones slagging them off on these forums, will learn their lesson when they are signing on.

 

[Indy500]

Nope totally free to the long term unemployed.

Casting aside the long-term bit for a moment, would you care to back that up with some evidence? I have worked for a third party provider of "training services" targeted at the unemployed (Learndirect) and I have seen no funding allocated to courses useful for those of us already holding GCSEs\A-levels. Or those with experience who need the qualifications to certify they are capable of what they actually did at work already.

I asked about (for example) accountancy software training and was told funding for this was dropped.

The immigration is there to keep wages low all part of the grand keeping poor people down plan.

My virgin media engineer that called round the other day barely had a grasp of english and didn't even know basic things about his job, he didn't even know what a UBR was.

Which makes me wonder how he even got the job, but that's a whole other argument.

He's cheap, he will do the work for less cost. You're defeating your own argument. As I've posted in SC, immigrants are economically desperate (why else do they head here across all of Europe?) and easily exploited - I do not wish to see this spread further.

Do you want to try living on minimum wage in London? Do you have any clue?

 

[[TW]Fox]

The whole system is screwed.

A friend of mine is in a rather unfortunate situation at the moment - her flat mate is moving out so she'll be stuck with the rent herself. She cant afford that on her full time range so looked at housing benefit. She is entitled to nothing - whereas where she on JSA they would pay £400 a month to cover some of her rent and council tax...

 

[C64]

I am only going by what the advisers at the job centre have told me.

For example I inquired about gaining a FLT license and was told it is available but only for the long term unemployed and criminals under rehabilitation.

And was told I think, that I'd have to have been signing on for 3 years to qualify otherwise I have to pay for it myself.

 

[gillywibble]

I'd rather be unemployed than working on Eastenders.

Actually, i'd rather be dead.

 

[KillBoY_UK]

This is backed up by Carl saying he needs a licence to be a security guard. WTF since when?

Pretty sure you do now and they cost a good deal of cash , remember a year or two back when i was working in a staples during uni and our guard getting rather annoyed when his forms kept on getting returned for silly just before the time were you needed a licence , Feel free to correct people

 

[Indy500]

I am only going by what the advisers at the job centre have told me.

For example I inquired about gaining a FLT license and was told it is available but only for the long term unemployed.

And was told I think, that I'd have to have been signing on for 3 years to qualify otherwise I have to pay for it myself.

Your jobcentre is in London then?

In any case, I'd rather get a job sooner than that...it isn't as though my existing qualifications and experience are measly, merely that nobody is willing to train a capable person because they don't have X years in a specific role (eg retail assistant). Without that training how are new people supposed to enter the field? Oh wait, they hire cheap school leavers instead

The whole system is screwed.

A friend of mine is in a rather unfortunate situation at the moment - her flat mate is moving out so she'll be stuck with the rent herself. She cant afford that on her full time range so looked at housing benefit. She is entitled to nothing - whereas where she on JSA they would pay £400 a month to cover some of her rent and council tax...

As long as your income is below £16,000 you'll get something in LHA payments, please show me where that has changed?

If she earns above that perhaps she should have thought about it before renting somewhere above her means, shared or not.

 

[MikeHunt79]

Not much is going to change unless the system changes tbh...

 

[Cosimo]

Not much is going to change unless the system changes tbh...

Must agree with you but can you see a system change in the current climate.

 

[Dr Jack]

"given up on factory and agency work because it is so unpredictable"
"Then after that you have to restart your benefits and you haven't got a clue where you are with anything,"

erm yea ok.

He's got a good point; it's a lot of effort to get hardly any extra money, or even less money. Sure, you can bash him for being a sponger, but end of the day he's out of pocket for making an effort - that's just crazy.

"It's just pointless getting up, by the time you've got up, you've paid your bus fares and made your sarnies and all that you're left with £100 a week, and it's just, you wouldn't be able to get by. By the time you've paid all your bills you're left with nothing, £30 or something"

at the moment they are living on 95.90 per fortnight.

Erm I R MATH !

That's just the jobseekers; while they're on it they'll be getting their rent paid and not need to pay any council tax.

 

[Bignomial]

I'm sorry I have no sympathy for them. He could get a job if he wanted but only the lucky few ever get their ideal job in life eg Eastenders.

As for her saying that she has to smoke baccy cause she couldn't afford two packets of fags a day on her dole money. Give them up.

Quote for the enormous amount of truth in this statement. It doesn't even occur to her that she could save loads of money by not smoking.

 

[Deleted member 651465]

I was made redundant just after a company I worked for went under a few years ago.

I joined the dole (as you do), and was told that they had jobs available for me but I didn't qualify as I hadn't been unemployed for longer than 6 months / am not disabled

I never understood the logic behind that.. claim dole for 6 months = £1000 in JSA, or give me a job.