Working? thats the point!?

[Indy500]

I was made redundant just after a company I worked for went under a few years ago.

I joined the dole (as you do), and was told that they had jobs available for me but I didn't qualify as I hadn't been unemployed for longer than 6 months / am not disabled

I never understood the logic behind that.. claim dole for 6 months = £1000 in JSA, or give me a job.

Not a job if its unpaid - I doubt you'll be looking forward to being free labour for a retail store mate. "New Deal" is a crap name too, not to mention unoriginal, the concept dates back to the 1930s..

 

[arknor]

“Both left school at 16 without any qualifications”, so it’s not just the system that has failed them.

might have been the school that failed them? you do realise some schools are terrible?
the school i went to reopened under a different name and all the staff had to reapply for there positions along with anyone else who wanted the jobs.
the only member of staff that retained there position was the head dinner lady.

the school had around 5 head teachers in 3 years because none of them could handle the job of improving a really poor school.

2 of them had nervous breakdowns

 

[scorza]

Pretty sure you do now and they cost a good deal of cash , remember a year or two back when i was working in a staples during uni and our guard getting rather annoyed when his forms kept on getting returned for silly just before the time were you needed a licence , Feel free to correct people

That's crazy. When I was a uni a few of the lads got security jobs with very little in the way of documentation. Would have thought a standard BC check would be sufficient for most security jobs, which costs next to nothing.

 

[Indy500]

That's crazy. When I was a uni a few of the lads got security jobs with very little in the way of documentation. Would have thought a standard BC check would be sufficient for most security jobs, which costs next to nothing.

You need specific certification for it now. Seems to vary with the organisation too :/

 

[SlyReaper]

Thing is, it's a vicious cycle. You're unemployed -> you get depressed about it -> you don't have enough energy to actively look for a job.

And these people aren't typical dole scroungers because they DID work before. So at least they're not as bad as some people who never lift a finger in their lives. And then pass on that attitude to their children.

 

[aproctor]

The whole system is screwed.

A friend of mine is in a rather unfortunate situation at the moment - her flat mate is moving out so she'll be stuck with the rent herself. She cant afford that on her full time range so looked at housing benefit. She is entitled to nothing - whereas where she on JSA they would pay £400 a month to cover some of her rent and council tax...

Thats not strictly true, but if she had a kid....then yes she might get something like that.


It is worked out on a number of factors and a single person under 25 is not entitled to much.

Making the benefits "add up" is the most effective way.

e.g.

IB/ESA + DLA + IS + Tax Credits + HB/CTB = not a bad income

I will reserve judgement but ESA seems like a step in the right direction.

 

[Munky1080]

Somehow I've never been without work since a very young age...

 

[BigglesPiP]

Ugh, could hit some people.

It's not hard!!!

 

[Begbie]

About £112 left after tax innit!

Then I have gas and food to buy innit.

What a couple of morrons! I don't care what anyone says, it is not impossible to get a job. I have never been without one and reckon if for any reason I got quit I could easily get another.

IDIOTS. Why do we keep people like this in our country, chuck them out and let the hard working polish, or whoever, in at least their hard working. They can also drink a lot.

 

[arknor]

About £112 left after tax innit!

Then I have gas and food to buy innit.

What a couple of morrons! I don't care what anyone says, it is not impossible to get a job. I have never been without one and reckon if for any reason I got quit I could easily get another.

IDIOTS. Why do we keep people like this in our country, chuck them out and let the hard working polish, or whoever, in at least their hard working. They can also drink a lot.

depends where you live tbh, they live in an ex mining town so i'd imagine jobs arent growing on trees and if you dont have a car you cant really look for work far away

 

[Sonea Fifer]

depends where you live tbh, they live in an ex mining town so i'd imagine jobs arent growing on trees and if you dont have a car you cant really look for work far away

Trust me the area Begbie lives you wont be stuck for a job, as long as your not fussy about working hard or woking along side foreigners

 

[Deleted member 651465]

Not a job if its unpaid - I doubt you'll be looking forward to being free labour for a retail store mate. "New Deal" is a crap name too, not to mention unoriginal, the concept dates back to the 1930s..

I've been working full time (since I was made redundant) for about 3 years now.

It just didn't make sense to me at the time, and felt like they didn't want to do anything to help me.

These people don't want to look for jobs.. so it's all bad.

 

[Jono8]

Lol, lower class scum.

 

[Vixen]

What a couple of morrons! I don't care what anyone says, it is not impossible to get a job. I have never been without one and reckon if for any reason I got quit I could easily get another.

It's getting harder to find a job now. I have a friend who graduated this summer with a 2.1 Masters in Chemical Engineering and he only just managed to get something last month. Even minimum wage jobs are difficult to get, as more and more people are becoming unemployed. I know someone who has been looking to move for 6 months, but every position he goes for is flooded with applicants. Apparantly a lot of builders have found themselves unemployed, so are looking for things like stocking warehouses.

 

[arknor]

It just didn't make sense to me at the time, and felt like they didn't want to do anything to help me.

jobcentres just want to push you into any crap job but wont help you actually get one.
after 6 months they push you into pretty much working part time for an extra 10quid a week or whatever it is these days.
when i was 18 i got forced into working in a warehouse , spent half my giro on busfares that were suposed to be reimbursed but barely ever were! because they always had some excuse.

all while beeing expected to look for a job lol

 

[Jonny]

jobcentres just want to push you into any crap job but wont help you actually get one.
after 6 months they push you into pretty much working part time for an extra 10quid a week or whatever it is these days.
when i was 18 i got forced into working in a warehouse , spent half my giro on busfares that were suposed to be reimbursed but barely ever were! because they always had some excuse.

all while beeing expected to look for a job lol

Sorry but I don't feel like you've been hard done by at all. I've had about 9/10 jobs in total and I've looked for each new one whilst still working full time at the previous, it's certainly not hard.

Edit....unless you're working crazy hours (i.e over 50/60)

 

[Indy500]

I've been working full time (since I was made redundant) for about 3 years now.

It just didn't make sense to me at the time, and felt like they didn't want to do anything to help me.

These people don't want to look for jobs.. so it's all bad.

I agree you should presevere regardless of the situation, however some of us are genuinely unfortunate and need temporary assistance. Great, you're from a different part of the country which isn't oversaturated with people and hasn't been affected as severely as the London area. I can't do anything to improve my locale because I have little in the way of spare money.

On the other hand, I did just get an interview with a city-based marketing firm so perhaps not all is lost...

Sorry but I don't feel like you've been hard done by at all. I've had about 9/10 jobs in total and I've looked for each new one whilst still working full time at the previous, it's certainly not hard.

Edit....unless you're working crazy hours (i.e over 50/60)

If you're working 9-5 thats rather difficult isn't it? Sure, you can write letters and emails but that isn't what you mean is it? If he has to spend half his benefit on travel and is left with ~£25 for food, clothing etc you're saying that isn't hard done by? You were in PAID employment, easy for you to be snobbish isn't it?

What planet do you live on?

 

[arknor]

Sorry but I don't feel like you've been hard done by at all. I've had about 9/10 jobs in total and I've looked for each new one whilst still working full time at the previous, it's certainly not hard.

Edit....unless you're working crazy hours (i.e over 50/60)

im not looking for sympathy that was 10 years ago, just trying to give a picture of how ridiculous job centres can be sometimes.

it may not be hard to look for a job when your working full time but when your only getting peanuts and then your expected to work for free while paying half your income on traveling expenses and your expected to survive on 40 quid every 2 weeks its a lot harder to look for that job.

 

[rare]

It’s incredibly sad to think so many people are growing up with no goals or ambitions to succeed in life.

Unfortunately for me I have been off work for the last few weeks because of a chest infection followed by truly horrendous cracked ribs, am now high as a kite on pain killers but am missing work terribly. Can’t wait to get back, and honestly couldn’t imagine life without work.

 

[DavidQ]

I don't know how people can cope with doing nothing, I was made redundant in late October last year and quite frankly I was bored out of my mind after 2 weeks. As for employers ignoring young people, that's not true. I'm 21 and just started my new job with the local council this week as an IT support officer. Lazy ******* should stop making excuses and get on with things.