World Cup Hosts 2018

A non-issue? It really is a huge issue, to more countries than just England too.

So you're saying that we shouldn't say anything about it purely because we never said anything about it before?

No. It was a non issue though wasn't it? Before this all came out nobody cared? Didn't see many people on here up in arms about FIFA did you? Press weren't coming out about this before were they?

I'm saying, as I've said before, that we should be doing something but it shouldn't of taken this. We should have being doing something before. If FIFA become more open and transparent then it's good.
 
No. It was a non issue though wasn't it? Before this all came out nobody cared? Didn't see many people on here up in arms about FIFA did you? Press weren't coming out about this before were they?

I'm saying, as I've said before, that we should be doing something but it shouldn't of taken this. We should have being doing something before. If FIFA become more open and transparent then it's good.

So, taking all that into consideration, are you of the opinion that we shouldn't do or say anything about it now?
 
I don't think Quatar is crap. I'm sure it's a lovely place. Hosting a World Cup? Hmm.

Why should it take it being this obvious for someone to do something?

FIFA have had a reputation for this for yonks! How come it's taken all this? How come it's taken it affecting us directly?

I remember the English were flying over the World having meetings and playing the odd game to try and "buy" votes, but that was okay :p / off topic slightly.

I think the reason it's happened now is because (and this is impressive even for them) FIFA have basically managed to **** off the entire western world all at once. The US in particular will not have been happy to be shown up on the world stage by a small middle eastern country. When countries are affected individually it becomes much easier to brush under the carpet but it's unlikely to go away easily with so many involved. The only way that FIFA are going to get out of this is by somehow justifying to the world the selections they have made and prove that they are not politically or financially motivated.

The whole system is flawed because it's all motivated by self-interest: votes are not given on any sort of merit but rather on what the voter will get out of it (which can range from organising friendly matches between voting nations to altogether more sinister arrangements). The process of preparing a bid and having it technically evaluated and so on is a total charade because the bids that fared best in the evaluations completely failed in the vote. It ends up being an inordinate waste of time and resources: as Andy Anson stated, had he known that FIFA were determined to give the tournament to a country based on criteria other than the actual quality of the bid we probably wouldn't have bothered. That would have been £15m saved and that would have been incredibly useful somewhere else.
 
So, taking all that into consideration, are you of the opinion that we shouldn't do or say anything about it now?

... I've answered this enough time in the thread.

I'm all for doing something against FIFA, I find it very funny it's taken this to make people realise.

It almost seems to be that everyone puts their fingers in their ears and ignores everything until it affects them. Then it's horrible and terrible and things must be done.
 
I think the reason it's happened now is because (and this is impressive even for them) FIFA have basically managed to **** off the entire western world all at once. The US in particular will not have been happy to be shown up on the world stage by a small middle eastern country. When countries are affected individually it becomes much easier to brush under the carpet but it's unlikely to go away easily with so many involved. The only way that FIFA are going to get out of this is by somehow justifying to the world the selections they have made and prove that they are not politically or financially motivated.

The whole system is flawed because it's all motivated by self-interest: votes are not given on any sort of merit but rather on what the voter will get out of it (which can range from organising friendly matches between voting nations to altogether more sinister arrangements). The process of preparing a bid and having it technically evaluated and so on is a total charade because the bids that fared best in the evaluations completely failed in the vote. It ends up being an inordinate waste of time and resources: as Andy Anson stated, had he known that FIFA were determined to give the tournament to a country based on criteria other than the actual quality of the bid we probably wouldn't have bothered. That would have been £15m saved and that would have been incredibly useful somewhere else.

I wonder how much we paid Jack Warner, along side the friendlies and numerous conversations and promises that were made between us and him :)

I agree, in part FIFA should come out and say what they were looking for and why they picked said nations in particular. Would be nice to have an explanation.
 
No. It was a non issue though wasn't it? Before this all came out nobody cared? Didn't see many people on here up in arms about FIFA did you? Press weren't coming out about this before were they?

I'm saying, as I've said before, that we should be doing something but it shouldn't of taken this. We should have being doing something before. If FIFA become more open and transparent then it's good.

This argument you keep trotting out is total balls too. Even just a cursory glance at Blatter's Wikipedia page reveals a number of times since he first became president that he has been accused of corruption: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sepp_Blatter. And, if you're prepared to dig deeper, you will find hundreds of previous stories exposing this sort of thing at FIFA. The story's only gotten real legs now because of the timing.
 
... I've answered this enough time in the thread.

I'm all for doing something against FIFA, I find it very funny it's taken this to make people realise.

It almost seems to be that everyone puts their fingers in their ears and ignores everything until it affects them. Then it's horrible and terrible and things must be done.

Right, I just wanted to make sure that that was your standing before I continued. You have stated numerous times that we should have done something before now, fair enough, do you really have to keep blurting it out though, post after post? What difference does making that point over and over make to the grand scheme of things?

This is how it is now, we didn't do anything about it before but we want to do something about it now.

Can we please just move the conversation on from you and your opinion that we should have done something about it before now? You've made your point. Making the same comment over and over just seems to me like you're specifically trying get a reaction from people.

Seriously, what difference does what we did in the past make to the fact that we're unhappy about it now?
 
I don't think tummy's a troll, he's airing some eloquent arguments and some of his points need to be confronted. Why we only care when it's us it's happened to is understandable though.

Personally if the world cup's not in England, I don't care where it ends up as i'll be watching it on tv in any case. If FIFA want to take bungs and allow governments to influence their votes, good luck to them. Of course Qatar is down to money. Most things in this world are down to money. So what?
 
I don't think tummy's a troll, he's airing some eloquent arguments and some of his points need to be confronted. Why we only care when it's us it's happened to is understandable though.

I'm not sure where exactly you get these 'eloquent arguments' from, he just repeats the same post over and over but just using slightly different words and saying the word 'butt hurt' every second sentence.

His point is that we didn't do anything about it before, I fail to see what difference that makes to the grand scheme of things, I mean, so what if we didn't do anything about it before, but something needs done about it now as it's so damned obvious this time, I'm sure you'll agree.
 
It becomes relevant when the decision is based on the leading parties government gaining trade links with said world cup hosts, "Cough France Cough".
 
:p :D

Didn't see this much outrage before the churnalists came out with the corruption scandals ;)

Seems this is only such a big deal now its stopped England hosting the World Cup.


To be honest, for a lot of people it's nothing to do with England loosing the bid, the 2018 bid could have gone to any of the countries and a good case could be made for each, both for footballing and economic reasons, I personally think that 2018 should have gone to either Spain or England as they would host the best tournament IMO, but Holland/Belgium and Russia wouldn't be a million miles behind that, so in honesty it could have gone to any of the four and none would have been a travesty.

The one that upsets me is the 2022 decision, Qatar is an absolute joke of a decision, Australia is the obvious choice as they have a growing league and they have never had it before. If you want to "grow" football that would have been the obvious choice. The USA and Korea would have been good choices also on this basis, they are both massive developing markets for football, despite the fact that both have had it relatively recently would also "grow" football in their regions massively. So this we did it to "grow football" argument is clearly the biggest load of old drivel i've ever heard.

The US member not even bothering to vote for his own bid is just making it blatantly obvious of the levels of corruption in FIFA, Platini who spends all his time bemoaning money in football follows the money to Qatar, surely his position at UEFA must be under question if he persues his quest against money in the game when he will vote for a country where in a desperate attempt to try to attract half decent players will pay people with less ability than Darius Vassell 100k per week.

At least man City pay players like Tevez who is world class insane amounts of money, and Yaya Toure who is a top class international.

I'm not bitter about england not getting it as i could make a case for any of the countries bidding for 2018 to get the tournament, ours and Spains considerably stronger but not decicively stronger than the other two.


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Just thought i'd mention, very good point made by Ian Holloway on goals on sunday (hard to admit for a Bristol City fan) why are we even allowed to speak to the ExCo members ? as he said they should be locked away in a room, you can get very detailed independent reports about the bids of each country and they then make the decisions based on that, not on who schmoozes them the most, not on what Beckham says to them, not on how much money people stuff in brown envelopes, they should have little to no contact with officials from the bidding countries.
 
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Just thought i'd mention, very good point made by Ian Holloway on goals on sunday (hard to admit for a Bristol City fan) why are we even allowed to speak to the ExCo members ? as he said they should be locked away in a room, you can get very detailed independent reports about the bids of each country and they then make the decisions based on that, not on who schmoozes them the most, not on what Beckham says to them, not on how much money people stuff in brown envelopes, they should have little to no contact with officials from the bidding countries.

This is my feeling on the matter too.
 
Yeah I was wondering this, what would the implications be for the FA to pull out of FIFA?

Would it just mean we could only have domestic football and therefore England would be unable to play internationally?

Also, I imagine the trading of foreign players would have to stop as they have some kind of interest in FIFA too.
 
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