World Cup Hosts 2018

What real impact is a damn great stadium going to make to the poor towns of Brazil? Christ, the maintenance cost alone would be better spent on helping out the local poor.

I take it you have never been to Brazil? In the whole world, it is probably the country that loves football the most. Everyone, and I mean everyone, man, woman, kid likes football and supports a team. When Brazil were playing in the world cup, people HAD to leave work early. Even SCHOOLS finished early so the kids could go home and watch the game.

Anyway point im trying to make is the financial side of things isnt the most important factor to consider when awarding the world cup. I should hopefully be there in 2014 :D

Back on topic - apparantly FIFA want to play the world cup in 2022 in January because its gonna be so hot in Qatar in June. What a joke! Cant believe they gave it to Qatar.
 
That was a bit obvious wasn't it!

Putin didn't even go to Zurich because he already knew he'd bought it.

Putin said he was staying away from the final bid in Zurich out of protest against media allegations of corruption against FIFA executives.

As soon I heard that I knew Russia would win it.
 
From todays independant,

How England's bid unravelled in 24 hours of double-dealing

Broken promises, hidden agendas and revenge work against 2018 team. Sam Wallace reveals the details behind the shady Fifa vote

Saturday, 4 December 2010

Wednesday 1 December

* David Beckham and Prince William stay up to 11pm talking with ExCo members at the Baur au Lac hotel. The warmth with which Jack Warner throws an arm round William and tells him that England have his vote suggests that they have nothing to fear.

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* The English bid is counting on seven votes which they have shaken hands on and reconfirmed time and again. They are Chung Moon Joon (South Korea), Marios Lefkaritis (Cyprus), Jacques Anouma (Ivory Coast) and Jack Warner (Trinidad) who has also promised to deliver his fellow Concacaf (North and Central America and Carribbean) delegates Chuck Blazer (USA) and Rafael Salguero (Guatemala).

* The English ExCo member Geoff Thompson believes he also has a personal guarantee from his close friend Senes Erzik (Turkey) to vote for England.

* William and Beckham leave the Baur au Lac. Andy Anson, 2018 bid chief executive, also goes to bed early to prepare for the presentation the following morning.

* Simon Greenberg, chief of staff, and David Dein, international chairman, stay up to 5am to "man-mark" the ExCo members who have promised bids and recheck that they are solid for England.

* They are aware of representatives of the sports-rights company Sportfive in the room thought to be working on behalf of the Russians.

* But the bid team are suspicious: why has Warner not asked them for Thompson's vote for the USA in the 2022 race in return for the Concacaf bloc?

Thursday 2 December

* Before the presentations, the Fifa president Sepp Blatter thanks Anson for turning around "bad" coverage of Fifa in the English press to "fantastic" coverage in the last few days.

* The English bid is told that their final presentation – featuring David Beckham, David Cameron, Prince William and Manchester City community worker Eddie Afekafe – was the best of the four for 2018.

* The ExCo meets at Fifa House in private. Behind closed doors Blatter asks the 22-man body – the ExCo is missing the two members suspended after the Sunday Times investigation – not to forget "evils of the media" in a clear reference to the English.

* Alone in the room, where there is no mobile phone coverage, Thompson knows that is a signal to ditch the English – if most have not done so already. It is all over for the bid.

* The 22 ExCo members have one vote per round in both the 2018 and 2022 races. Thompson naturally votes for England in the first round and believes he has an agreement to vote for Korea in the 2022 bid in return for Chung's vote in 2018. He also has a reciprocal agreement with the Holland-Belgium bid team that they will vote for the other in the event of one being eliminated.

* England get two votes in the first round: Thompson and Issa Hayatou (Cameroon), ironically one of the ExCo targeted by Monday's Panorama BBC investigation.

* England are eliminated in humiliating fashion in the first round. Russia win in the second round.

* Thompson votes for Korea in the first round of 2022. Chung, billionaire scion of the family that owns Hyundai, does not vote as expected in the 2018 bid.

* Korea are eliminated in the first round of 2022. In the next three rounds Thompson votes for the US, as per his agreement.

* In the 2022 race there are suggestions that Warner has not delivered his three Concacaf votes to the US which would mean, incredibly, that the American ExCo member Blazer did not even vote for his own country.

* The Australians are eliminated in the 2022 first round with one vote, thought to be that of Franz Beckenbauer. They have spent around £25m on their bid which had good technical and economic reports from Fifa.

* There are suggestions that even Michel Platini, who has built his Uefa presidency on opposing big money in football, has voted for Qatar – the tiny emirate with no football history but big oil wealth.

* Platini is thought to have been heavily influenced by Nicolas Sarkozy, France's president, who is negotiating a €1bn-plus investment by Qatar in the French nuclear fuel programme.

* Qatar triumph in the fourth round of voting at 2022. The Fifa ExCo members are ferried to limousines waiting to take them back to the Zurich Messehalle to attend the official announcement of the results to the world's media.

* Thompson arrives and spots Anson and the bid team waiting to go in to the announcement. He breaks the bad news, telling them they were eliminated in the first round. Boris Johnson and Gary Lineker walk back towards the English media. Their expressions say it all.

* Harold Mayne-Nicholls, the former Chile FA president, who was in charge of Fifa's technical evaluations – which rated England as the best bid for 2018 – apologises personally to Anson.

* After facing the media, Anson returns to the Baur au Lac where four of those previously mentioned ExCo members who had an agreement to vote for England launch into a "tirade" against the English media. They had said nothing on the subject before the vote.

* "I hope it is a convenient excuse and they just had other reasons for going to Russia that they are not prepared to tell us about," says Anson. "Because it's a crap excuse."

* The US president Barack Obama says Fifa made "the wrong decision". Coming from the leader of the free world it is a damning indictment of the notoriously sensitive governing body.

Friday 3 December

* Anson announces that England will not bid again until Fifa reforms the voting process.

* The English Football Association's relations with Fifa plummet to a new low when the acting FA chairman Roger Burden withdraws his candidacy to take the job on a permanent basis citing his unwillingness to work with those in Fifa he "cannot trust".

* The FA is to cancel an England friendly with Thailand in June, organised to convince the Thai ExCo member Worawi Makudi to vote for the English bid. He didn't.

* Mutterings about a rebellion from member countries like England and the United States. Could this be the catalyst for a Kerry Packer-style breakaway
 
Very interesting and just confirms the whole thing is dodgy as hell. What's the point in having a closed meeting of the entire ExCo before the "vote" takes place - the vote is clearly just a smokescreen to portray the whole thing as somehow democratic.
 
Beckenbauer said that they might look at holding 2022 in January due to cooler temps, and it 'not being a big deal' to change the league time-table's round. Er... on your bike?
 
Also found this article about the USA bid,
USA stunned to learn that Chuck Blazer their own chief did not vote for them

The stink that is growing daily from the corrupt world cup hosting vote took a very bizarre twist today as news begins to filter through that Chuck Blazer the American general secretary of CONCACAF did not vote for his own country but for Qatar.

Blazer who is very close friends with ticket tout Jack Warner voted along with Warner to give Qatar the right to host world cup 2022 and thus go against their very own team from their very own federation.

That is akin to Geoff Thompson not voting for England or Michel Platini not voting for France or Franz Beckanbaur not voting for Germany and yet this is what happened.

How Blazer can stay in his position is now seriously open to debate and questions are starting to be asked why he never voted for his own country.

What did Warner promise Blazer, what did the Qatar delegation promise Warner and Blazer, the fact that Qatar’s bid was rated high risk by Fifa seems to have made no difference at all.

The hard cold truth is that if CONCACAF would have voted for its own member state, The USA, then it would have been a tie between Qatar and the USA and would then have been down to corrupt Sepp Blatter to have used his casting vote.

Which would have probably still meant that Qatar got the vote as Blatter had promised the Qatar the world cup in return for the Asian head of football, Qatari national Mohammed Bin Hammam not going up against Blatter for control of Fifa.

So nothing at all to do with the best bids but to do with Blatter staying as head of Fifa, wow it stinks.
 
This is getting even more interesting.

Platini and French-Cataharr trade links?

The stink is getting worse by the day. I think we could be witnessing something mega going down with FIFA soon.

Your time is UP Sepp Blatter. Time he fell from grace with a thump. I think half of them should be in jail for corruption.

Can someone PLEASE elaborate on the 2022 one being held in January? SURELY thats a wind up?!
 
I take it you have never been to Brazil? In the whole world, it is probably the country that loves football the most. Everyone, and I mean everyone, man, woman, kid likes football and supports a team. When Brazil were playing in the world cup, people HAD to leave work early. Even SCHOOLS finished early so the kids could go home and watch the game.

Still, there is quite a difference to little Eduardo an his mates kicking a ball around in a shanty town in the shadow of a multimillion dollar purpose built stadium, which has no team to utilise it, and is running a 4/5/6 figure sum to keep it maintained and secured; to little Edward and his mates kicking a ball around in Old Traffords car park, which is packing in 70k football supporters every other week during the season, and already has a purpose to be there.
 
I take it you have never been to Brazil? In the whole world, it is probably the country that loves football the most. Everyone, and I mean everyone, man, woman, kid likes football and supports a team. When Brazil were playing in the world cup, people HAD to leave work early. Even SCHOOLS finished early so the kids could go home and watch the game.

Anyway point im trying to make is the financial side of things isnt the most important factor to consider when awarding the world cup. I should hopefully be there in 2014 :D

Back on topic - apparantly FIFA want to play the world cup in 2022 in January because its gonna be so hot in Qatar in June. What a joke! Cant believe they gave it to Qatar.

Yeah but so what?

How does a massive stadium with enormous running costs actually help the local community living in shanty towns with no food or clean water?

It doesnt!!
 
Can someone PLEASE elaborate on the 2022 one being held in January? SURELY thats a wind up?!

Because with all the bungs that were going on, the dollar signs have blinded FIFA to the fact that if they hold it as normal in summer, there will only be one clear winner of the competition hands down, and that will be; the Lava Men hailing from the centre of the earth, as they will be the only team used to the temperature.
 
Yeah but so what?

How does a massive stadium with enormous running costs actually help the local community living in shanty towns with no food or clean water?

It doesnt!!

Unless of course they change their diets to include metal and concrete; then they could eat it when the football festival has packed up and left town. Sounds unlikely, but it's got about as much chance of happening as those new stadia finding a real use after World Cup 2014.
 
ha people in power are always corrupt, one way or another, just like the MPs take what you can, screw everyone else, look after number 1
 
Seriously though guys... A world cup in January.

Im really struggling with that one. It actually seems like they are really considering it as a viable option.

The sheer bloody mindedness and stupidity of these guys astounds me time after time.

I think they must be drunk on their own hype, power, and Abramovich's champagne/brown envelopes.

Thankfully when we get round to 2022, I will be old enough that I wont give a **** about international football anymore, and hopefully by then, FIFA might not even exist!!
 
This is getting even more interesting.

Platini and French-Cataharr trade links?

The stink is getting worse by the day. I think we could be witnessing something mega going down with FIFA soon.

Your time is UP Sepp Blatter. Time he fell from grace with a thump. I think half of them should be in jail for corruption.

Can someone PLEASE elaborate on the 2022 one being held in January? SURELY thats a wind up?!

It stinks to high heaven but you're a very optimistic man if you think anything will be done about it. They're a law unto themselves - who's going to regulate them?
 
Just move on, stop being so bitter.

England apparently had a good bid (according to the English media :p) could well of being a good bid on paper, it however didn't fit with what FIFA are trying to do. (Taking the world cup to places that haven't had one)

We don't have some divine right to host a world cup, we're not a good international side (one world cup win, when it was 16 teams at home :p) why should we get the world cup over a country that hasn't experienced that? it's helping spread and develop the magic of the game.

Corruption? happens in far worse places then FIFA. Nothing will happen. FIFA have done fine up until now.
 
Im not bitter at all.

Just angry at the whole farcical process. Its a sham, and FIFA are disgraceful.

Spain would have been a much better WC than Russia, and Japan/Australia would be way better than Cataharr. THATS what everyone is angry about. Its not being bitter about losing the bid, its HOW everything was already decided and the corruption behind it.

Spain are seething also, and the Netherlands were never goign to get it after publishing FIFAs tax demands...!!

Its shocking. FIFA are a joke, and really need to be taken down several pegs.

All I know, is that there are UK journos out there that will never rest until this happens. Its a case of when and not if.
 
They will move on when the next big thing happens.

News is only news if it's newsworthy.

The anti FIFA thing gets boring quickly.

Not bitter? :p haha

Spain probably had a good bid, same goes for Japan. They didn't fit with what FIFA want, a country that haven't hosted a world cup and that they can use them to help spread the game.
 
They will move on when the next big thing happens.

News is only news if it's newsworthy.

The anti FIFA thing gets boring quickly.

Not bitter? :p haha

Spain probably had a good bid, same goes for Japan. They didn't fit with what FIFA want, a country that haven't hosted a world cup and that they can use them to help spread the game.

lul what?

YOu sound like a fifa spokesperson.

Its nothing to do with "spreading the game" Really think there is much spreading to do among 1.6million arabs?

Its all about the $$$ in the pockets of the commitee. They couldnt give a **** about spreadign the game or any other such nonsense.

Why cant you see its just a shallow cover?
 
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