World first QD-OLED monitor from Dell and Samsung (34 inch Ultrawide 175hz)

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Honestly all well and good zooming in. Visually at about 2ft from screen where does standard text look like in real life is what important. Not zoomed in to pixel level from 2"

That's why I said I suspect most users won't care. I'm on of those who probably won't care; people told me that text would look bad on my LG OLED TV yet to me it looks perfectly fine

but then maybe some people are just more sensitive to it and spot these things easier - the German reviewer said he could see the green/purple on edges in review videos he's seen and that's not zoomed in

 

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Do Dell organise collection for returns ?

Think I'll still give this a chance but that issue is pretty bad and apparent when looking for it, hoping less noticeable at my standard viewing distance

The UFO comparison in this article, no idea how zoomed that is but if I open the imagine the white lines are no longer white , especially obvious comparing to the IPS example.
Alienware 34 QD-OLED (AW3423DW) gaming monitor review | PC Gamer

Well spotted didn't notice that before - when flicking back and forth yeah it's very noticeable now, the ips actually looks white but white on the Alienware looks purple! Uh...what a disappointment aye

 

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Except they don't show the color problem they talk about stuff that no one else is saying just random stuff - like how can they claim "is it 600nits?" Is a myth? I haven't heard anyone say that, show me one, talk about real problems

 

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Or hdtvtest... he's had it for 9 days where's the review dammit

he's also got the LG C2 to review, mapybe his review is delayed because he wants to do the C2 video first or maybe he even wants to make a video comparing the two together

 

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Not sure on this to replace the AW3821DW, I've also considered the PG35VQ as like the idea of reaching 200Hz.
Will only pull the trigger if I can get using a code.

thisnis like half the price of the Asus

that's being the benefit of OLED for years now; they like half the price of top LCD competitors


In any case this Alienware is really a 144hz screen not 175hz. You can do 175 but then you sacrifice HDR quality so there is no point

 

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I got the AW34 operating at 177 Hz without frame skipping, MASSIVE CLARITY INCREASE!

At 10bit 4:4:4 RGB?

 

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This looks faulty - NVIDIA tests for flickering and the likes, and if any is detected, monitor does NOT get G-Sync certification. Which is one of the reasons I always bought the ones with certification from them (usually just G-Sync compatible) and never had any vrr flicker of any kind then. And this model has G-Sync Ultimate, hence it seems to be some fault of that particular unit.

Gsync compatible does absolutely not gaurantee flicker free experience- all LG OLEDs are gsync compatible and yet all of them have near black flickering

But I would have hoped since this is Gsync ultimate it would be different. Can anyone else here replicate this flickering?

 

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How do you replicate it? I have yet to see any flickering on any test screen I've been viewing during calibration and colour checking etc. I'm on 10bit SDR 144Hz though.

I noticed a bug in the lighting settings in the OSD. Set your chosen lighting values etc and power the screen off, when you turn on they won't be remembered it seems. Had to install the Alienware Comman Centre app to then disable the lighting which stores to monitor. Can then uninstall the app no probs.

by playing a game with gsync or vrr turned on in fullscreen where the game has near black scenes (not bright, not pitch black, in between half black half grey)

I can produce the flicker very consistently in this game: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dark_Pictures_Anthology:_Little_Hope

because the game has perfect scenes to produce the flicker

And in some scenes it happens in this game: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control_(video_game)

 

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https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1648029400
Samsung display response about fringing issues

doesn't add anything new, it's a problem with the tech and the end user can't do anything about it - you either live with it or you buy something that is not an OLED

 

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The best review is going to be from Vincent at HDTVTest.

Yeah both have merits

hardware unboxed's reviews provide more benchmarks, but the problem is they treat everything like it's measurable - they never compare what the screens actually look like va one another, everything is just measured and placed on a graph - the problem with this approach is that people place subjective opinions on which screens they buy and by only showing graphics with latency, brightness color deviation and whatnot it removes any subjectivity and implies that everyone should just buy the screen that gets the brightest even though it may not be the "best looking" or most "visually appealing"

HDTVtest doesn't benchmark as many things, but Vincent does put up screens so the user can actually see what it looks like via other screens


Rtings does a good job too and what they do better than HUB is that they place weighted scores on each aspect and a total score - it makes it easy to determine which screen you should consider for your purchase, HUB reviews don't do this

 

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I got this AW3423DW for around 1625 Euros (early morning order).

You should cancel your orders asap. It's absolutely trash. I had an 1000 Euro 2nd order open, i canceled it too after testing.

Negative aspects:

-colors are broken (looking wrong like va colors) and washed out compared with LG nano ips
-the screen has an very annoying silver/white glow
-the fan/s are very loud
-near black flickering
-vrr flickering
-green/magenta artefacts (bad pixelrendering)
-bad sharpness/fuzzy text/picture, looks like crappy bgr pixelrendering, compared with nano ips with same ppi absolute trash
-glossy surface, any enviroment light is causing massive distraction and defocusing
-mine has two subpixel failures, magenta on white background and green on black background
-hdr 1000 peak mode much worse than hdr 400 true black mode, abl is much more aggressive
-motion not as smooth and sharp as nano ips (LG 34GP950G), oled juttering + 5 ms btg transitions (no joke a tester measured it), lg wrgb oled is much better
-some models with scratches on ar coating due no film protection
-every 4 hours pixel refresh for multiple minutes

Positive aspects:

-hdr looks fairly good in hdr 400 true black mode
-contrast is very good
-no blb
-no halos

Thisnis what I'm seeing as well, I thought it's just my imagination but every side by side video I see the Alienware QD OLED looks bad. LG OLED ftw

 

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Best to wait for HDTV test and tftcentral when it comes to what is more correct in terms of colour accuracy talk. I would probably say that my lg has more vividness to the image but the AW seems more natural/accurate but as said, all pointless going by eye AW easily wins for the zero banding and better handling of dark scenes + uniformity though.

Here is his video

he calls it the best pc monitor but it is not flawless and some of these flaws may be a problem for some users

Vincent confirms that

* Yes day time viewing is not the best, contrast takes a hit and blacks appear grey. To get the best from this monitor use in the dark

* Yes this monitor does suffer from Near black flicker when VRR/Gsync is enabled, this issue is worse the higher refresh rate goes as the gamma delta gets bigger as the screen refresh rate increases - Can't wait to see all the people who said "Gsync ultimate will prevent flicker" what they say now

* Input latency measured higher than an LG OLED TV

 

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And to show what I mean by being able to exaggerate pixel structure etc.

Husky photo on my LG e7:

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Anyway, thinking of picking up a hardware calibrator, any recommendations without breaking the bank?


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I just noticed vincent had 2.4 gamma set, is that correct with your findings too @mrk?

That photo of the husky just pops more on your lg oled thanbthe Alienware - the Alienware continue to look full to me in any comparison- must be that anti glare coating

 

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None of the LCD IPS screens I've ever owned had a dedicated backlight brightness OSD settings, it's always been brightness and contrast for adjusting those specifically, the same applies to the QD-OLED btw..

I think backlight brightness is generally an old school setting found on LCDs from years gone by.

Lg OLED TVs have two brightness settings - one adjusts the brightness of the backlight pixels and one adjusts the white point

 

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That's correct:





Yep that's fair enough, this side of things is down to individual preference really so if it's comfortable for your eyes then that brightness is fine.

100nits is about the right level for eye comfort when viewing a full screen white page or image in an average lit environment (like an office) - obviously it will not be bright enough if you had direct sun glare over the screen or something

 

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Thanks Vincent

so here is the list of things the monitor should not be used for

1) Office, productivity or creative work. This is due to:

* color fringing issue already discussed here
* slightly blurry text
* Performance not where it needs to be for creative use, particularly in gamma

2) Console gaming (no HDMI2.1 and consoles don't support non 16:9 aspect ratios)

3) Watching movies (movies are 16:9)


4) And lastly, do not use if you don't have a dark room as any light reflecting off the screen destroys the vibrancy and volume of colors and also the contrast ratio.

just touching on #4 again. I don't think this should be a deal breaker for people, you may still enjoy using this monitor during the day with your curtains open or at night with your ceiling lights turned on - but Vincent is just highlighting that both the color production and color contrast are both significantly negatively effected when you have any light on the screen, whether it be light from outside or light from a bulb it makes no difference.

Vincent believes the poor handling of bright room performance is due to the panel and not the coating, to resolve this issue would require a polarizer in the panel but a polarizer can't be used when you have this type of pixel layout. This means QD OLED TVs will have the same issue - poor performance during daytime or when you have your ceiling lights on

 

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I do try to try, but then I try to do. But then I do, even if I try, or don't.

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Do one with Vincent saying bright room performance is bad

 

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I have gone back to 144hz anyway, there is very few games I can get more than 100 fps, let alone locked to 144 with a 3080 at this res. so bit pointless using 175hz mode, maybe if/when a gpu can provide that, I'll go with 175hz then.....

Noticing with the extra clarity from no matte finish little things that are annoying me in games now like dying light 2, the rain drops/steam on my screen



This has to be one of my favourite scenes in cp 2077, regardless of oled, just the setting, the lighting, the character and the tone set, looks absolutely gorgeous with the hdr, looks a bit low res. as I'm using dlls perf. for the max RT goodness:

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Borderlands 3 HDR looks glorious:

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The monitor does look nice when the room is dark like yours

 

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My 5 and 10% grey slides, camera over exposes these big time and picks up on things you can't see with your eyes but leagues ahead of lg oleds, just have a look in the c2 42" thread to see the uniformity and banding issues still somewhat plaguing them (panel refresh thing does help though):

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For comparison, my LG e7 and c7 back when I first got them:

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This was before the panel refresh ran:



Which wasn't noticeable in most content but certain scenes, when panning, you could easily see it, particularly with sky shots, my e7 was very good after a couple of refreshes though so not really that noticeable:







Think this was the c7:

Can't say I notice the aw issues with my own eyes, uniformity etc. looks perfect. Not ran a panel refresh yet but it would probably clear up any issues that are there, might do one tonight just before bed.

Jesus dude you have some bad luck. All your OLED and now QD-OLED have bad banding. I must have got lucky my c9 is absolutely clean in 5% grey window in a pitch black room and still looks identical when I compare to photos I took back in 2019 when I first got it

 

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Do you guys fear burn in or just worried about peak brightness performance reducing over time due to the nature of it being an organic display?