World of Warcraft: Classic

[Syla5]

Lol 15 minutes? war and ******* peace.... takes me a second to /w the mage in the group "please can I get some food it that's ok"

Same with a rogue and chests....

The rogue being a douche is justified because by ******* off the group he got ninjaed?

Maybe, not being a douche would be the better position to take rather than who was a bigger douche.

The rogue being a douche after everyone assumed they would happily open the chest and roll it off without even asking first... seems like your order of douchery ignored the rest of the party being douche's first.

 

[MonkeyBasher]

I haven't mentioned the rest of the party, the loot or any other events in the dungeon at all. Just the locked box.

Your party enters a dungeon. There is content gated by something. You have the skills to open the gate , gaining access to the content for all.

The same applies for the UBRS key, the ZF mallet, content in DireMaul and I think in Maruadon also. Items that take time and effort to aquire.

Using your logic of assumed non use of skills then a rogue without those items should not expect to access that content, and yet they join those groups all the time. Standing there waiting for someone else to unlock the door so they can get access to whats behind it.

 

[Hotwired]

The rogue being a douche after everyone assumed they would happily open the chest and roll it off without even asking first... seems like your order of douchery ignored the rest of the party being douche's first.

I have never asked once in any group or seen anyone asking anything other than "roll?" at a chest.

When there's a chest the group has rolled on it if it isn't locked or if there's a rogue to unlock it.

I have no idea why your default position is that it belongs to a rogue while in a group, doing group content.

Even when there's resources I see the people who can mine or harvest taking turns even taking turns at swinging at a rock.

You join a group to be useful because you can't be there solo not to demonstrate how selfish you are.

 

[jasoncb]

The rogue being a douche after everyone assumed they would happily open the chest and roll it off without even asking first... seems like your order of douchery ignored the rest of the party being douche's first.

I will remember to ask the party before any boss "Is anyone going to ninja the item?". I don't want to be a douche when if it happens without me asking.

 

[Syla5]

I have no idea why your default position is that it belongs to a rogue while in a group, doing group content.

I never stated my default position, and do not automatically think it belongs to the rogue.

My default position would be to have politely asked the rogue before auto rolling and assuming something would be done. If the rogue refused after being politely asked, and I was group leader, I would remove them from the group. That is very different to what the OP and his group did though....


Its amazing how you guys seem to happily be ignoring the fact that someone intentionally ninja looted after collectively 4 people were rude to 1 person, and are hard focused on the fact the rogue was in the wrong...

Even when there's resources I see the people who can mine or harvest taking turns even taking turns at swinging at a rock.

You really believe that this is happening without a prior conversation setting up that agreement...sure


Next you will be saying that rogues should just open lock boxes if you run up to them and trade them...Enchanters should do all enchants for free..etc etc

 

[Hotwired]

I never stated my default position, and do not automatically think it belongs to the rogue.

My default position would be to have politely asked the rogue before auto rolling and assuming something would be done. If the rogue refused after being politely asked, and I was group leader, I would remove them from the group. That is very different to what the OP and his group did though....

Its amazing how you guys seem to happily be ignoring the fact that someone intentionally ninja looted after collectively 4 people were rude to 1 person, and are hard focused on the fact the rogue was in the wrong...

4 people were not rude to 1 person.

There was a roll, the rogue ignored it and straight up said he was going to take all chests. If you can't see that as a 1 man **** you to the other 4 I don't know what to say.

If you do what you can to **** off other people you can expect them to do what they can to **** you off.

No one said any of it was OK but you are defending the rogue and it looks so backwards.

 

[Wizzfizz]

At least one thing is consistent since the very early days and that is rouges are hated by every other class

 

[Jonnybmac]

But that isn't want the OP did. There was no polite asking of the rogue, and further more there was a ninja loot revenge, then a post here that seemed to be seeking sympathy....in this case I side with the rogue.

I didn't come here for sympathy. I really don't care that I ninja'd his dagger - he deserved it. I came here to understand if others opinions are in line with my own since it seems a grey area.
I had a druid in my group last night roll on a cloth item that was healing spec. Since he was healer I passed to allow him to have it despite the fact I heal as a priest and needed it. I'd consider myself quite fair where loot is involved and actually respect my group.

I'm the bigger douche because I stole his dagger he needed, yet he stole every chest in there so which is really worth more?
As stated I played wow from vanilla to TBC as a rogue and always shared chest loot and don't ever recall claiming chests as mine on by hunter when I had engineering - it's a team effort. To say it is yours because only you have the skill, and if you were not there it wouldn't be open, and if I want to open chests raise engineering/blacksmithing is pretty selfish and ignorant. It took a team to get to those chests for him to open. The argument it is difficult to raise also doesn't apply when you enter dungeons and open every chest to ninja.

We all rolled for the chest, including the rogue. I won and he said if nobody else can open then he's claiming it, and all others. Sorry but I consider that arrogant as **** and he deserved the ninja at the end after looting the whole instances chests.

My heals cost money to buy, my mana costs money to rejuvenate through drinking. Why should he feel some heriaach because only he can open chests?

I'll take being the bigger douche if it means karma to the original douche.

Also you seem to assume quite a few things of what happened in that instance despite what limited information I gave. It wasn't just me that missed out on chests because he is selfish but 3 other people in the group; I'm not screaming omg it is all mine, the other chests could have gone to others in the group who contributed and he still raises his lock picking skill so collectively it wasn't 4 people against me. To me it wasn't even about me wanting the chests because 9/10 they are worth < 50s but the principle of selfishness behind it.

If you raided molten core with 39 others, and a locked chest appeared what do you think the opinion would be in terms of only rogues or those with blacksmithing/engineering being able to bid DKP only?

 

[jasoncb]

Jonny i wouldn't waste your time, if the sky was blue he'd say otherwise for the sake of arguing. We all know nobody would want to group with selfish people like that

 

[jasoncb]

double posting

 

[jasoncb]

forum messed up

 

[Syla5]

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Your group, and you handled the situation terribly....

Firstly you didn't set out the conditions with the first chest before getting on with rolling for it.

Secondly you kept a rogue with a rubbish attitude in the group after he did this on the first locked chest and let him do it on others.

Thirdly, and worst of all your stooped to below his level and actually ninja looted.

Next time boot the rogue and move on, don't become worse then the rogue.

Jonny i wouldn't waste your time, if the sky was blue he'd say otherwise for the sake of arguing. We all know nobody would want to group with selfish people like that

Not even in the slightest. Pay attention to the actual conversation. Last night ran a group with a rogue and before we got to a locked chest I check the rogue was happy to open them for winners of the roll...guess what, he had no issue. We proceed to clear SM Lib, Arm, Cath, and then back to Arm...awesome group...amazing how a bit of politeness and forethought can go a long way....also small things like asking the none mana using DPS to pass over their looted waters to the priest as we had no mage, asking the druid to off tank if things got a little to much (2H tanking on my warrior).....a big part of classic is communication...seems some people have forgotten that.

 

[ShortWarning]

Just thinking about what I'm going to do when I get to 55 (warrior). I'm planning to play DPS warrior but I'm thinking of specing prot for the last 5 levels and just running dungeons till 60 to start collecting gear and attunements etc. Does that make sense? Which dungeons should I be running? I'm still a few weeks from this though, I still don't have my mount. Haha.

 

[MonkeyBasher]

Just thinking about what I'm going to do when I get to 55 (warrior). I'm planning to play DPS warrior but I'm thinking of specing prot for the last 5 levels and just running dungeons till 60 to start collecting gear and attunements etc. Does that make sense? Which dungeons should I be running? I'm still a few weeks from this though, I still don't have my mount. Haha.

You will make your end game experience terrible unless you have a dedicated 5 man team who are always around to support this playstyle.
You do not need to be protection spec to tank any of the current dungeon content. In some cases being prot makes it harder to tank and it definatley makes it harder to solo quest.
Your number 1 resource when tanking in those dungeons BRD and above is rage. Being able to spam your skills helps you keep agro.
All you need is to have some decent gear. Have all your skills maxed including the prot ones, be in def stance (dancing) and use a sheild.
If your 55 and still wearing mail from SM you will have issues. If your wearing plate from maruadon, ST and BRD you will be fine.
I have tanked every up to the start of BWL using a 0/31/19 (i think thats right) spec and it was fine and also meant on the occasions I wasnt the MT I had options without an expensive respec.

Once you get to 50 or so you will need to start having 2 sets of gear. Your dps set that will have mail, leather and plate. Then your tank set, which should all be plate.
Another bonus of being fury/prot means that one of your weapons can also be your tanking weapon. This will probably be thrash blade for a long time.

 

[Syla5]

Yeap, you don't need to spec prot to tank, and as Monkeybasher said you are going to be reducing your tanking ability as prot invariably only makes you take less damage / avoid damage, or generate a little more threat. The first 2 of those means less threat anyway, and gear now is far better then it was in vanilla so you can easily survive now without prot. If you have followed the general levelling pattern of levelling arms then just stick with that, save the gold on the respect. If you really want to change it up, then spec Fury/arms as that will be your dps spec at 60 anyway.

 

[Jonnybmac]

Jonny i wouldn't waste your time, if the sky was blue he'd say otherwise for the sake of arguing. We all know nobody would want to group with selfish people like that

Does seem that way.

Your group, and you handled the situation terribly....

Firstly you didn't set out the conditions with the first chest before getting on with rolling for it.

Secondly you kept a rogue with a rubbish attitude in the group after he did this on the first locked chest and let him do it on others.

Thirdly, and worst of all your stooped to below his level and actually ninja looted.

Next time boot the rogue and move on, don't become worse then the rogue.




Not even in the slightest. Pay attention to the actual conversation. Last night ran a group with a rogue and before we got to a locked chest I check the rogue was happy to open them for winners of the roll...guess what, he had no issue. We proceed to clear SM Lib, Arm, Cath, and then back to Arm...awesome group...amazing how a bit of politeness and forethought can go a long way....also small things like asking the none mana using DPS to pass over their looted waters to the priest as we had no mage, asking the druid to off tank if things got a little to much (2H tanking on my warrior).....a big part of classic is communication...seems some people have forgotten that.

Again with your assumptions... where have I said I was group leader?
My bad I didn't write up a contract of agreement to ensure that the rogue and everyone else are on the same page.
Dont you find it odd that if you would have to ask this, you are questioning the rogues ethics rather than defaulting to just being a respectful, normal player? Maybe I should not heal specific people unless we have an agreement in place that I should?

Karma is karma - I won't be in the first and won't be in the last group he does this to, but allowing him to just float from group to group being a grade A **** just encourages him to continue on his ways.

 

[ShortWarning]

You will make your end game experience terrible unless you have a dedicated 5 man team who are always around to support this playstyle.
You do not need to be protection spec to tank any of the current dungeon content. In some cases being prot makes it harder to tank and it definatley makes it harder to solo quest.
Your number 1 resource when tanking in those dungeons BRD and above is rage. Being able to spam your skills helps you keep agro.
All you need is to have some decent gear. Have all your skills maxed including the prot ones, be in def stance (dancing) and use a sheild.
If your 55 and still wearing mail from SM you will have issues. If your wearing plate from maruadon, ST and BRD you will be fine.
I have tanked every up to the start of BWL using a 0/31/19 (i think thats right) spec and it was fine and also meant on the occasions I wasnt the MT I had options without an expensive respec.

Once you get to 50 or so you will need to start having 2 sets of gear. Your dps set that will have mail, leather and plate. Then your tank set, which should all be plate.
Another bonus of being fury/prot means that one of your weapons can also be your tanking weapon. This will probably be thrash blade for a long time.

Thanks for the tips! I'm levelling as arms at the moment and am tanking every dungeon I can (and have already collected a few bits of plate gear). The only reason I was considering rolling prot was because I was going to live out my last few levels in dungeons then switch again at 60 but fury/prot would be better. Do you have a link to the spec? When is a good time to switch to fury? I'm guessing I'd be dual wield fury? Also, with 0/31/19 means I would never be stance dancing? Is that right?

Also, for tanking weapons is weapon speed important? I've been sticking to the quickest weapons I can find but thrash blade is quite slow. I'm guessing raw DPS is what really matters then?

 

[Syla5]

Does seem that way.

Again with your assumptions... where have I said I was group leader?
My bad I didn't write up a contract of agreement to ensure that the rogue and everyone else are on the same page.
Dont you find it odd that if you would have to ask this, you are questioning the rogues ethics rather than defaulting to just being a respectful, normal player? Maybe I should not heal specific people unless we have an agreement in place that I should?

Karma is karma - I won't be in the first and won't be in the last group he does this to, but allowing him to just float from group to group being a grade A **** just encourages him to continue on his ways.

Lets be clear on something, you asked for opinions on the situation, so don't get shirty if you don't like one.

Next, where have I made any assumptions??? My best guess at the only assumption i have made is that i assumed from the way you wrote out the situation that the rogue hadn't been asked before rolling if they would happily open chests for winners and it all went to a roll. IF that was wrong then you need to be clearer in how you present the situation you ask for opinions on. I provided my thoughts on the situation as you detailed it that's all.

I never said you were group leader, however as part of the group you have a voice and could have collectively with the other 3 members of the group who the rogue shafted decided to get him removed....unless the rogue was the leader then you all leave and make a fresh group.

To simplify my view on this, which doesn't need to change, is that communication before assumption leads to less issues is valid.

The level at which you are comparing opening a locked chests, to actual class roles within a group is comparing apples with oranges.

You wouldn't just trade a mage and expect water without asking first. You wouldn't just trade an enchanter all the mats for an enchant without asking first and agreeing a fee. You wouldn't just invite warriors to a group without confirming if they are tank or DPS first. So why was it ok to assume the rogue would be opening locked chests without asking first? You wouldn't go up to a rogue in a capital city with a lock box and just trade them and expect them to open it would you?

I am not defending the rogues actions, sounds like an ass, but it doesn't sound like any effort was put in to forethought or minor details. Just pointing out failings that the group you were part of seemed to have.

If you don't want opinions you don't like, then don't ask for opinions.

 

[MonkeyBasher]

Thanks for the tips! I'm levelling as arms at the moment and am tanking every dungeon I can (and have already collected a few bits of plate gear). The only reason I was considering rolling prot was because I was going to live out my last few levels in dungeons then switch again at 60 but fury/prot would be better. Do you have a link to the spec? When is a good time to switch to fury? I'm guessing I'd be dual wield fury? Also, with 0/31/19 means I would never be stance dancing? Is that right?

Also, for tanking weapons is weapon speed important? I've been sticking to the quickest weapons I can find but thrash blade is quite slow. I'm guessing raw DPS is what really matters then?

Do not switch to fury until you have at a minimum the weapons to support it. This occurs naturally as your big 2h from the class quests becomes less useful and you pick up some nice 1 handers.
There are nice 1h swords from quests in both SM and RFD.
Generally speaking for DW you want a slow MH and a fast OH but this is not a 100% rule. It generally comes down to luck with loot.
A quick weapon for tanking gives lots and lots of rage all the time. A slow weapon gives it in big chunks. Again, both viable and personal preference.
Thrash blade wins a lot, in all cases becuase it procs a lot and that just makes it great for both MH in DW and also tanking. That extra swing is another chunk of rage. When flurry is up your swinging like mad.
I replaced my thrash blade with the mace from dire maul (not in game yet) and then replaced that with Eskhanders Claw from MC. This also procs a lot and was an awesome tanking weapon.
It also comes down to enchants as well.

With no points in arms you need to time your dances. So they coincide with your rage generating skillls. Of the top of my head I think I only ever did it to thunderclap tbh. You can still charge in battle stance, use that rage for a skill, switch to def and then go for it. If your los pulling with a gun, just stay in def.

At some point (patch or expansion) the game altered so that daggers for warriors (tanks and DW) was just not viable.

 

[jasoncb]

You wouldn't just trade a mage and expect water without asking first. You wouldn't just trade an enchanter all the mats for an enchant without asking first and agreeing a fee. You wouldn't just invite warriors to a group without confirming if they are tank or DPS first. So why was it ok to assume the rogue would be opening locked chests without asking first? You wouldn't go up to a rogue in a capital city with a lock box and just trade them and expect them to open it would you?

I can't honestly think why you wouldn't assume that. You could in theory assume every rogue is mentally handicapped and have to check to make sure they understand this is group content and therefore loot should be fairly distributed amongst the group. That fact you would even have to do that would indicate a general problem with the playerbase and their attitude towards pug groups. Now if this is becoming the norm then i guess you will have to set rules before you do content with pug players.