Worth paying more for an Audi over a Skoda?

Dealer must have been aware of coolant leak/mot history when car was purchased, and hopefully owner not just added some kind of sealant.

Are you hooked on an auto ... vs a close manual audi (although I have reservations on mhev maintenance as a long term ownership proposal .. like dsg boxes)
 
I have no preference, DSG or manual. Never owned an auto before so I'm used to driving a manual.

That Audi is interesting, might be worth a look too! What is MHEV though? something to do with hybrid? I have no way to plug in charge at home.
 
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I have no preference, DSG or manual. Never owned an auto before so I'm used to driving a manual.

That Audi is interesting, might be worth a look too! What is MHEV though? something to do with hybrid? I have no way to plug in charge at home.
Mild Hybrid, means it's only a small battery but it charges from the IC engine. No need to plug in.
 
hmmh mhev might be why that audi seems cheap .. the mhev 48v batteries in bmws are north of £1K to replace (misschief wouldn't like that either),
but I've not researched their warranty

(e: wow the bmw ones are big b**** https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/325914237753)
I can't see myself having a Hybrid or EV of any sort for many years. The idea that your car can require a replacement part that costs thousands of pounds is abhorrent to me.
 
but I've not researched their warranty

(e: wow the bmw ones are big b**** https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/325914237753)

That's not a mild hybrid battery - it's from a 330e so it's a full plug in hybrid battery.

I don't understand why you keep going on about mild hybrid systems like it's some sort of issue. £20k Audi is full of things that cost £1k or more in the event they go wrong, why is it only the mild hybrid system that concerns you?

Most people probably don't even notice they've got one. It's nothing like a normal hybrid car.
 
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I can't see myself having a Hybrid or EV of any sort for many years. The idea that your car can require a replacement part that costs thousands of pounds is abhorrent to me.

Your 4 Series is full of parts that have 4 figure replacement costs, so are you going to sell it and buy a 1995 Renault Clio?
 
hmmh mhev might be why that audi seems cheap .. the mhev 48v batteries in bmws are north of £1K to replace (misschief wouldn't like that either),
but I've not researched their warranty

(e: wow the bmw ones are big b**** https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/325914237753)
You're confusing things, that's not a 48v mhev battery, that's the high voltage battery from a plugin hybrid.

A mild hybrid is more like the Toyota 'self charge' hybrid, but usually without the ability to drive EV only.

MHEV is essentially a normal car with a tiny bit of battery assistance.
 
hmmh mhev / bev / phev battery warranty https://www.audi.co.uk/dam/nemo/uk/PDFs/FV-Audi-New-Warranty-Terms-12-Oct.pdf
don't buy their phev ?
● The 12 volt batteries, 48 volt batteries, any batteries used in mild hybrid vehicles and the high
voltage batteries used in hybrid vehicles are warranted against all defects in materials and
workmanship for 3 years from the date of handover to the first owner, or up to 60,000 miles,
whichever comes first.
Warranty against Battery Energy Content Degradation
...
● A gradual reduction in battery energy content over time is a normal feature of high voltage
battery and does not constitute a warrantable defect. However, high voltage batteries in
BEVs and PHEVs are warranted against excessive loss of net battery energy content as
detailed below. No degradation warranty exists for 12 volt batteries, 48 volt batteries, or any
batteries used in mild hybrid vehicle
.

The repair will bring the performance of the high voltage battery back to the
following state, depending on the mileage / age of the vehicle at the time of
diagnosis:
■ Up to a maximum of 40,000 miles or three years after first registration
(whichever comes first), the energy content of the high voltage battery will
be repaired so that it measures a minimum of 78% of the starting value.
Up to a maximum of 60,000 miles or five years after first registration
(whichever comes first), the energy content of the high voltage battery will
be repaired so that it measures 74% of the starting value.

■ Up to a maximum of 100,000 miles or eight years after first registration
(whichever comes first), the energy content of the high voltage battery will
be repaired so that it measures 70% of the starting value.

...
For PHEVs, the battery energy content degradation warranty lasts for up to 5 years or up to
100,000 miles, whichever comes first, from the date of handover to first customer (or date of
first registration, whichever comes sooner) for the first vehicle owner only. This warranty is
not capable of assignment or transfer to subsequent vehicle owners
.
Where the battery
energy content of the high voltage battery is measured by a Volkswagen authorised repairer
and is found to be less than 70% during the warranty period, then it will be replaced or
repaired so that it measures a minimum of 70% of the starting value, or replaced under
warranty subject to the following:
 
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Your 4 Series is full of parts that have 4 figure replacement costs, so are you going to sell it and buy a 1995 Renault Clio?
I can get a Warranty for £450 that will cover that. Any warranty for an EV will almost certainly exclude the battery or cost two or three times the amount to cover the battery though.
 
no, if you have a mild hybrid with a potential £2K dealer battery change liability, or a phev (like many skodas) where second owner has zero battery warranty after initial owner,
both are not very palatable prospects, and I hadn't appreciated that until today.
if Labour brings back the 2030 moratorium maybe we'll have no option but a (100km) phev or bev, though.
 
no, if you have a mild hybrid with a potential £2K dealer battery change liability,

Might as well just never buy a modern car then, as they are all full of similar potential issues and have been for years. Buying a 2009 diesel in 2012? But what about the particulate filter or the gearbox?! Potential big bill there..... it's always been the case and always will be.

How much is a headlight for an Audi A4 with Matrix LED?
 
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Might as well just never buy a modern car then, as they are all full of similar potential issues and have been for years. Buying a 2009 diesel in 2012? But what about the particulate filter or the gearbox?! Potential big bill there..... it's always been the case and always will be.

it is better to be forewarned when you are making choices about your next 2nd hand car on likely maintenance costs -
especially on functionality of negligible worth to you -eg. if I were driving around towns a lot maybe I would care about the additional mpg mhev might deliver
exactly like laser lights, having had a stone crack a light a couple of years back, if you thought those might yield a 1K+ bill like, was it gibbos did, then no thanks,
even if it didn't seem to impact insurance premium much.

battery warranty on phev's , 5 years on an audi and 60K on bmw definitely a b-moll
 
it is better to be forewarned when you are making choices about your next 2nd hand car on likely maintenance costs -
especially on functionality of negligible worth to you -eg. if I were driving around towns a lot maybe I would care about the additional mpg mhev might deliver
exactly like laser lights, having had a stone crack a light a couple of years back, if you thought those might yield a 1K+ bill like, was it gibbos did, then no thanks,
even if it didn't seem to impact insurance premium much.

battery warranty on phev's , 5 years on an audi and 60K on bmw definitely a b-moll

My car has both a mild hybrid system and laser lights. I value them both and specifically sought out an example with both fitted (As you can get them without either).

Maybe it'll need a new battery one day, maybe it won't. The batteries themselves don't look particularly expensive and the size of the bill isn't exactly that different to the size of numerous other bills you might get if you chose to buy a complicated used German car.
 
I know a guy that loves his Skodas, he does get tired having to tell people that they are OK now. Some perople still remember the Rapids from the 80's.

My pal worked in a dealership on the service counter. He was constantly shocked at some of the bills and the owners and how much money they had to pay these high bills.
 
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