Would you SLAP your child..?

easyrider · 6 Apr 2009 at 23:40

Chimerical said:
Well I didn't appreciate it. I'm not sure any of my friends were keen to be touched by teachers either.

How do you know?

Did they tell you?

All kids react and need different things.

All kids learn in different ways.

Chimerical · 6 Apr 2009 at 23:41

RoachycaL said:
Yup - and as I say, its not because you don't like it - because that would make you inhuman. Its because we've been brought up to think its bad and that its weird. Its not weird, its a way of portraying emotion.

No its not. Teachers shouldn't be getting that "emotional". Teachers are paid to educated parent's children, not touch them or beat them.

placeholder · 6 Apr 2009 at 23:41

Chimerical said:
Using medical emergencies as an example is a terrible defense.

Medical emergencies happen to be just that - emergencies. They are not indicative of the issue as a whole.

Definitely no hugging though. I can't recall that ever happening at either school if I remember correctly.

Its a perfectly valid example im afraid. If its unacceptable then you will get situations where the teacher will not comfort the child in case it is misinterpretated which is quite sad when you think about it.

Chimerical · 6 Apr 2009 at 23:42

RoachycaL said:
Jeez... Absolutely crazy.

I suppose that could be interoperated as rape or something though couldn't it.

No, not rape. I wouldn't assume it to be paedophillia especially if conducted in a public space. But it is still unneccessary.

jaybee · 6 Apr 2009 at 23:42

placeholder said:
Exactly. But equally the parent could come in and say "what the hell are you doing touching my child like that?" and suddenly its become a huge issue and the teacher is branded a pervert! Its a total no-win situation, and of course you have to err on the side of caution at all times because the society we live in suggests there is a chance that the parent could react like that!

True. So who wants to be a teacher?

RIZZEE · 6 Apr 2009 at 23:43

i think it depends of your childhood and values, some people will never do it while others grew up with it and have no problem

me on the other hand...i think its too early to be thinking about hitting children, im only 17

RoachycaL · 6 Apr 2009 at 23:43

Chimerical said:
No its not. Teachers shouldn't be getting that "emotional". Teachers are paid to educated parent's children, not touch them or beat them.

I didn't say it was getting emotional - I said its a WAY of portraying emotion, its completely different.

Receiving the words "you did well" or receiving a physical pat on the back for doing well is a different way of portraying emotion.

easyrider · 6 Apr 2009 at 23:43

Chimerical said:
No its not. Teachers shouldn't be getting that "emotional". Teachers are paid to educated parent's children, not touch them or beat them.

But they are there to educate them.

With education its immpossible to do deliver teaching cold.

Sometimes "a Teacher" is the only person a child can trust.

Chimerical · 6 Apr 2009 at 23:44

easyrider said:
How do you know?

Did they tell you?

All kids react and need different things.

All kids learn in different ways.

Yes, some thought some of the male teachers were too clingy around the girls although it may have just been banter, jokes, whatever.

I'm mostly talking about secondary school although I can't remember much "contact" from primary school at all actually.

arknor · 6 Apr 2009 at 23:44

easyrider said:
Certain Kids today have no notion of responsibilty and the law.

they dont give a **** about anything.

i was arrested 3 times when i was around 15, i wasnt so worried about the police i was more worried about my parents reaction and possibly getting the slipper.

these days you dont really have to worry because your parents arent allowed to leave a mark so its just a chat , maybe grounded which you can ignore because its all talk.

the only thing anyone was really afraid of out of the people i knew was there dads beating the crap out of them with a belt.

all the older kids were never like my generation but they had the cane etc at school so learned to fear people in authority

RoachycaL · 6 Apr 2009 at 23:44

jaybee said:
True. So who wants to be a teacher?

Exactly. Unfortunately I have thought about following in my parents footsteps several times but as soon as I think of the word teacher I think of the times I've sat and watched my teachers struggle to keep a class from throwing chairs about the room.

Chimerical · 6 Apr 2009 at 23:45

RoachycaL said:
I didn't say it was getting emotional - I said its a WAY of portraying emotion, its completely different.

Receiving the words "you did well" or receiving a physical pat on the back for doing well is a different way of portraying emotion.

Still don't care. Its a non-argument and doesn't justify touching.

easyrider · 6 Apr 2009 at 23:46

RoachycaL said:
Exactly. Unfortunately I have thought about following in my parents footsteps several times but as soon as I think of the word teacher I think of the times I've sat and watched my teachers struggle to keep a class from throwing chairs about the room.

Then they are bad teachers.

RoachycaL · 6 Apr 2009 at 23:46

Chimerical said:
Yes, some thought some of the male teachers were too clingy around the girls although it may have just been banter, jokes, whatever.

Its pathetic that something so small can portray something so large. If I put a hand on this young girls shoulder - it means I want do to more than teach her.

RoachycaL · 6 Apr 2009 at 23:48

easyrider said:
Then they are bad teachers.

They were exceptional teachers. When they were actually able to teach and keep kids restrained within the law. Its when kids get beyond a certain point where nothing will deter them that a teacher cannot win them over with words.

Chimerical · 6 Apr 2009 at 23:51

RoachycaL said:
If I put a hand on this young girls shoulder - it means I want do to more than teach her.

It looks kind of weird if you ask me. I don't see why teacher/student relationships should be any different from any other professional environment so I do not agree with the use of touching.

placeholder · 6 Apr 2009 at 23:52

RoachycaL said:
They were exceptional teachers. When they were actually able to teach and keep kids restrained within the law. Its when kids get beyond a certain point where nothing will deter them that a teacher cannot win them over with words.

Yeah. I have an example where the head teacher of our local high school pulled a kid into his office for some horrific piece of behaviour and the kid turned to the headmaster and said "**** off, you cant touch me. Go on, what can you do?" and went right up into his face. There is no doubt that behaviour didnt really go on so much when there actually was the threat of the cane/belt.

RoachycaL · 6 Apr 2009 at 23:54

Chimerical said:
It looks kind of weird if you ask me. I don't see why teacher/student relationships should be any different from any other professional environment so I do not agree with the use of touching.

Because they are children - they aren't adults in a professional working environment.

Most children don't care less, but some kids have it in their head that every single little thing a teacher does which isn't "teaching" is trying to take them back to their lair or something.

placeholder · 6 Apr 2009 at 23:54

Chimerical said:
It looks kind of weird if you ask me. I don't see why teacher/student relationships should be any different from any other professional environment so I do not agree with the use of touching.

What about the primary one child what has fallen and is bawling their eyes out that i stated earlier?

Its easy to see that a male teacher shouldnt have his hands all over a 15 year old girl, thats black and white but where do you draw the line? If "no touching" is the rule do you discipline the teacher who tries to comfort the 5 year old child who is sobbing in the corner?

RoachycaL · 6 Apr 2009 at 23:56

placeholder said:
Yeah. I have an example where the head teacher of our local high school pulled a kid into his office for some horrific piece of behaviour and the kid turned to the headmaster and said "**** off, you cant touch me. Go on, what can you do?" and went right up into his face. There is no doubt that behaviour didnt really go on so much when there actually was the threat of the cane/belt.

That's what scares me so much and what puts me off wanting to teach. What could you possibly do to counteract that?

I've seen that happen in our school too, kids swear infront of teachers quite happily because its not worth the teachers time and effort to punish them, it requires so much more now.