Soldato
wedgie said:
That about sums it up
R.I.P the Wife and Child
WWE's Chris Beniot & family found dead.
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That about sums it up
R.I.P the Wife and Child
Man of Honour
Nickg said:
Well there you go then.
He was a normally family man and this was 'out of character'.
Soldato
Deadly Ferret said:
Given the following, do you really think that it's surprising that people are being judgemental?
Soldato
Alchemy said:
Agreed, those text messages are creepy, it's like he wanted to be found.
Soldato
dmpoole said:
I think you should step back for a second mate, a lot of us said "RIP Chris Benoit" before the full facts had actually surfaced some may or may not retract that statement now.
I've just read through the posts that have been made since I logged off last night and cannot believe that some people will stoop to such levels off slagging off each other on a thread about someone who is being accused of murder, or as some people here seem to refer to it as cold blooded.
At this present time, and like some people who engage their brains before speaking have said, the only three people who know what really happened are no longer here. The rest of us, including the local sheriff department can only speculate on what may have happened.
We know, or are led to believe he killed his wife, in what would appear to be a struggle first. He then left it a day before he suffocated his son, and then a further day before he killed himself. Now, the sheriff department have already advised that the post mortem and toxicology reports have yet to be carried out, so what they are advising has happened is pure speculation its self.
I have recently completed a Criminology and Psychology degree and one thing you study in this how quick people are to judge someone for their actions before the truth is known. It is likely we will never know the real reason behind this act, and because of that it wouldn't suprise me if the sheriff department have just released their statement early to make their lives a little easier.
If these text messages and telephone calls are to be believed, then he was likely to have been suffering the after effects of steriod rage. Once the effects of these have passed the user feels depressed, groggy and fatigued for a lengthly period of time (before anyone questions this, a friend of mine abused steroids and I have seen first hand the after effects). It is likely that he possibly commited these crimes whilst in a rage. When they wore off he felt ashamed for what he done, hence the bibles. No-one knows, this is just another take on things, and I am NOT condoning what he has done, or trying to make excuses for his actions.
However, to come out and slate it was done in cold blood, he is a murderer are your opinions, and are rightfully yours to have, but until it is proven he did this in a sane state it can still be classed as manslaughter and an act done by someone not knowing in effect what they were doing. Murder and Manslaughter are two different things: Manslaughter after all is defined as the killing of someone without the intention of doing so.
Finally, this thread was created to comment on the death of Chris Benoit and his Family. The OP has not expressed it as a thread to abuse one another because they have different opinions on what happened and on the person involved. If you dont like what someone else has commented on regarding this matter then exit the thread and dont come back.
Some people here have the hindsight to wait until an official verdict has been made before making their final comments on the situation and whilst the outcome/reason behind this is still speculation they are allowed to express their feelings toward Chris how they like. If they want to slate him fine, but if they want to pay a tribute to him for what he has done then they are more than entitled to do so, but to flame them because you dont agree with them, shows just how childish people can be.
I will quite happily await the positive and negative comments from people here and will respond to those that are able to engage their brains before making a comment.
To me, Chris Benoit will always been a fantastic wrestler and entertainer, despite what he may or may not have done, in or out of character that will never change. That said, I do not condone what he has done, but I wont make a comment on it until the official results are made public.
At this present time, and like some people who engage their brains before speaking have said, the only three people who know what really happened are no longer here. The rest of us, including the local sheriff department can only speculate on what may have happened.
We know, or are led to believe he killed his wife, in what would appear to be a struggle first. He then left it a day before he suffocated his son, and then a further day before he killed himself. Now, the sheriff department have already advised that the post mortem and toxicology reports have yet to be carried out, so what they are advising has happened is pure speculation its self.
I have recently completed a Criminology and Psychology degree and one thing you study in this how quick people are to judge someone for their actions before the truth is known. It is likely we will never know the real reason behind this act, and because of that it wouldn't suprise me if the sheriff department have just released their statement early to make their lives a little easier.
If these text messages and telephone calls are to be believed, then he was likely to have been suffering the after effects of steriod rage. Once the effects of these have passed the user feels depressed, groggy and fatigued for a lengthly period of time (before anyone questions this, a friend of mine abused steroids and I have seen first hand the after effects). It is likely that he possibly commited these crimes whilst in a rage. When they wore off he felt ashamed for what he done, hence the bibles. No-one knows, this is just another take on things, and I am NOT condoning what he has done, or trying to make excuses for his actions.
However, to come out and slate it was done in cold blood, he is a murderer are your opinions, and are rightfully yours to have, but until it is proven he did this in a sane state it can still be classed as manslaughter and an act done by someone not knowing in effect what they were doing. Murder and Manslaughter are two different things: Manslaughter after all is defined as the killing of someone without the intention of doing so.
Finally, this thread was created to comment on the death of Chris Benoit and his Family. The OP has not expressed it as a thread to abuse one another because they have different opinions on what happened and on the person involved. If you dont like what someone else has commented on regarding this matter then exit the thread and dont come back.
Some people here have the hindsight to wait until an official verdict has been made before making their final comments on the situation and whilst the outcome/reason behind this is still speculation they are allowed to express their feelings toward Chris how they like. If they want to slate him fine, but if they want to pay a tribute to him for what he has done then they are more than entitled to do so, but to flame them because you dont agree with them, shows just how childish people can be.
I will quite happily await the positive and negative comments from people here and will respond to those that are able to engage their brains before making a comment.
To me, Chris Benoit will always been a fantastic wrestler and entertainer, despite what he may or may not have done, in or out of character that will never change. That said, I do not condone what he has done, but I wont make a comment on it until the official results are made public.
Man of Honour
The little I know of roid rage goes 100% against this. Unless he killed his son in a fit of depression having killed his wife a day earlier?Twinblade said:
Caporegime
dmpoole said:
so says his "friends" and those who want to protect him right now...
Soldato
A very good read here
http://www.nutritionalsupplements.com/roider.html
Some very interesting answers heres one
also bear in mind Anabolic roids are what was found at the benoit home.
No swearing
Gilly
http://www.nutritionalsupplements.com/roider.html
Some very interesting answers heres one
also bear in mind Anabolic roids are what was found at the benoit home.
No swearing
Gilly
Soldato
Tom|Nbk said:Agreed, those text messages are creepy, it's like he wanted to be found.
That's absolutely correct, he wanted to be found after he did it. It seems to have been a very deliberate act and he wanted his dogs to be cared for and for the bodies of himself and his family to be found rather than be left for a period of time.
Soldato
helmet said:
, Oops sorry Gilly didnt see that little swearie 
after looking about I found this
It has been confirmed that Benoit had been ordering these steroids off some US website that supplys these, maybe benoit ordered a different type of anabolic roid he hadn't tried before and it just sent him off the handle, maybe he had taken some of this "halotestin", Im going to wait and see what the toxicology report says.
Further on Anabolic Steroids.
Taken from the National Institute of Dru Abuse website:
"Anabolic Steroids can when used inappropriately have catastrophic medical, psychiatric and behavioural consequences.
Scientific research also shows that aggression and other psychiatric side effects may result from abuse of anabolic steroids. Many users report feeling good about themselves while on anabolic steroids, but researchers report that extreme mood swings also can occur, including manic-like symptoms leading to violence. Depression often is seen when the drugs are stopped and may contribute to dependence on anabolic steroids. Researchers report also that users may suffer from paranoid jealousy, extreme irritability, delusions, and impaired judgment stemming from feelings of invincibility."
Taken from the National Institute of Dru Abuse website:
"Anabolic Steroids can when used inappropriately have catastrophic medical, psychiatric and behavioural consequences.
Scientific research also shows that aggression and other psychiatric side effects may result from abuse of anabolic steroids. Many users report feeling good about themselves while on anabolic steroids, but researchers report that extreme mood swings also can occur, including manic-like symptoms leading to violence. Depression often is seen when the drugs are stopped and may contribute to dependence on anabolic steroids. Researchers report also that users may suffer from paranoid jealousy, extreme irritability, delusions, and impaired judgment stemming from feelings of invincibility."
I feel I need to defend Chris Benoit. I don't condone what he has done nor do I agree with it. However I don't feel he is 'cold blooded killer', 'sick' or a '*******' or any of the other words that have been used here. What I feel towards the man is purely pity because something pushed him over the edge and no-one will ever know what that was. I don't think he particularly enjoyed killing his family and then himself but something drove him to do it. No-one on here (unless they have murdered their family) can know what it's like to even come close to your life or mind falling apart to the extent that you feel you have to end it all for yourself and your family. So kindly, if you have a spiteful comment, keep it to yourself.
Soldato
Jonny69 said:
Im in the same boat, as I said earlier I feel really sorry as he clearly didn't do it in cold blood. Somthing was seriously wrong in his head and just sent him over the edge maybe hes been troubled for the past few months and it all led up to this who knows. I dont condone what he did at all and have lost all respect for him but im deeply sorry for whats happened and perhaps he just needed some help. Jonny you also cant stop people from being spiteful, everyones entitled to express there opinion on the matter and without all the facts its hard to understand for a lot of people and wrap there heads around, the healing process will take time.
Man of Honour
I don't understand this. How did he clearly not do it in cold blood? Do you know him? Were you present?Tom|Nbk said:
He apparently did it over the course of days.
The only thoughts I have are for the members of his family killed by him and the ones he left behind. Not for him.
Soldato
Jonny69 said:
Sorry yeah, I'll make sure that I refrain from saying anything untoward, or that could possibly construed as nasty, about a child killer from now on
Gilly said:
Spot on.
I find it disturbing that people are trying to find excuses as to why a 7yo innocent child was murdered. Him and his wife may have had issues and although there is no excuse for murdering anyone maybe something pushed him over the edge regarding her.
But kill a 7yo?
Soldato
Gilly said:
No I do not know him, Im going on the fact he placed a bible next to each body and was always regarded on the WWE as a "family guy", a number of times he had his wife and kid out on the ring after big matches with him IIRC. I just don't think it was at all. My deepest thoughts are with his wife and kid but I have little to none for him
. Shame as I adored him in the WWF as a kid .Gilly said:
Again, until I have heard the official reports I will reserve judgement. It is only suggested he did it over the course of the weekend, until the post mortem has been carried out and the results have been released no-one knows for sure what actually happened.
There is still the possibility that someone known to the Benoit family could be sitting at home watching the news oldfold feeling smug because they have got away with the perfect crime. Just because there is no signs of forced entry doesnt mean no-one else could obtain entry legally into the property. The American Authorities are reknowned for jumping on the first suggestion to enter their heads to get something on the news.
Earlier posts have mention Benoit receiving a text message from his wife saying his son was ill, and to come home as it was an emergency. How do we know that someone hadn't obtained entry, killed his wife, held his son captive text Benoit from Nancy's phone and waited for him to return. Then killed his son and hung Benoit to make it look like double murder-suicide.
As for doing it in cold blood, the terms anabolic steroids and manslaughter spring to mind.
Unfortunately we are never likely to know what really happened, only what the police decide to print.
Jonny69 and Tom Nbk we seem to be in the minority of people in this matter.