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Randell said:
never had a nvida card
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X1900 ... what is known ?
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never had a nvida card
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lordedmond said:
Cracking score that, the Asus is a cracking mobo.
Randell said:
but to be fair that was before manufacturers switched to 6mth cycles and things were also a lot more competitive back then.
The only reason X1900 is early is because is because x1800 was very very late, I've had my 7800 since the first week of July.
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makes you wonder whats left and what the new mobo chipset will bring, but i still think that I am still cpu limited
who has access to both an FX-60 CPU and the next gen gcards??? and also, i thought that the FX-60 was @ 2.6Ghz?
i most probally am incorrect.. i dont like threads like this as people dont know for sure whats going to happen
not too long to wait now i guess.
i most probally am incorrect.. i dont like threads like this as people dont know for sure whats going to happen
not too long to wait now i guess.
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everythings officially under NDA, but its very much known what the card is.
very shader heavy card, ut2k7 is supposed to be stupendously shader heavy and will probo help the x1900xt wipe the floor with the 7900, and it probably will in a LOT of very shader heavy games, the main issue is how many games will utilise shaders so heavily. few for now and few for the next year its seeming like.
theres hints that ati may rule Q1 2006, which might suggest that a feb release is very overly optimistic for the 7900 cards.
as for x1900 xtx expensive, its there in black and white the price is known, its £367 rrp and anything higher will be pricing it up due to stocks not being everywhere, which , by all accounts its shipping to suppliers now so don't buy if its overprices. its very well priced, crossfire setup for £630 is very good compared to a nvidia sli setup.
ati know their card is out first and faster than the g70 but they know, due to usage of shaders in games that they won't be all out fastest for long so they are going for the value for money. crossfire boards seem to be cheaper than equivilent sli boards, the x1900 range is gonna be cheaper than the 7900 range, quite possibly significantly cheaper.
i'm expecting that 7900 to be VERY expensive, i'm guessing £480-500 RRP, and will the top end ultra with those clocks be in very limited supply like the 512 gtx, considering core and mem speed the answer is most likely yes. but the non ultra should be a banging card.
the other thing here is, 3dmark05 is pretty heavily cpu limited in sli and those nvidia results are on dual cores. afaik the highest(a lot of the highest) scores in 3dmark05 are now on dual cores because with sli they become very limited. so it will be interesting to see x1900 vs 7900 reviews both on same system, pref both on a dual core. also that fx60 has been overclocked to 2.8Ghz which gives it some awesome power. on a similar cpu the single x1900xtx should score a little better and the sli score should go WAY WAY up.
the x1900xt score in sli(its not xtx's) is only 30% increase in score, thats very below average and cpu limited. the thing we REALLY need right now is scores in fear, quake 4, bf2 probo, all in dual core and also, hopefully amd will be begging the Unreal team to give them an early benchmark demo of ut2k7 . also not quite sure when 3dmark 2k6 is out but its dual core supporting and might give a decent idea of where these cards stack up, in both single and sli setups for the future.
personally i think the 7900 will be the choice of card once its out, though it will take a price premium for it ati has a great idea with the shaders but its a year-18months to early for the games that will really want those shaders. ahead of its time, probably, great card at a good price, yes, gonna beat the 7900 in a majority of games, i doubt it.
very shader heavy card, ut2k7 is supposed to be stupendously shader heavy and will probo help the x1900xt wipe the floor with the 7900, and it probably will in a LOT of very shader heavy games, the main issue is how many games will utilise shaders so heavily. few for now and few for the next year its seeming like.
theres hints that ati may rule Q1 2006, which might suggest that a feb release is very overly optimistic for the 7900 cards.
as for x1900 xtx expensive, its there in black and white the price is known, its £367 rrp and anything higher will be pricing it up due to stocks not being everywhere, which , by all accounts its shipping to suppliers now so don't buy if its overprices. its very well priced, crossfire setup for £630 is very good compared to a nvidia sli setup.
ati know their card is out first and faster than the g70 but they know, due to usage of shaders in games that they won't be all out fastest for long so they are going for the value for money. crossfire boards seem to be cheaper than equivilent sli boards, the x1900 range is gonna be cheaper than the 7900 range, quite possibly significantly cheaper.
i'm expecting that 7900 to be VERY expensive, i'm guessing £480-500 RRP, and will the top end ultra with those clocks be in very limited supply like the 512 gtx, considering core and mem speed the answer is most likely yes. but the non ultra should be a banging card.
the other thing here is, 3dmark05 is pretty heavily cpu limited in sli and those nvidia results are on dual cores. afaik the highest(a lot of the highest) scores in 3dmark05 are now on dual cores because with sli they become very limited. so it will be interesting to see x1900 vs 7900 reviews both on same system, pref both on a dual core. also that fx60 has been overclocked to 2.8Ghz which gives it some awesome power. on a similar cpu the single x1900xtx should score a little better and the sli score should go WAY WAY up.
the x1900xt score in sli(its not xtx's) is only 30% increase in score, thats very below average and cpu limited. the thing we REALLY need right now is scores in fear, quake 4, bf2 probo, all in dual core and also, hopefully amd will be begging the Unreal team to give them an early benchmark demo of ut2k7 . also not quite sure when 3dmark 2k6 is out but its dual core supporting and might give a decent idea of where these cards stack up, in both single and sli setups for the future.
personally i think the 7900 will be the choice of card once its out, though it will take a price premium for it
ati has a great idea with the shaders but its a year-18months to early for the games that will really want those shaders. ahead of its time, probably, great card at a good price, yes, gonna beat the 7900 in a majority of games, i doubt it.
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Thought the chipset and R580 was a joint release ;(LoadsaMoney said:Id say the x1800 XT Crossfire was pretty good, considering it equals, and beats the 2x 256mb GTX's, and in some cases even beats the 2x 512mb GTX's, then yup id say thats a pretty good start, and Gibbo has already said when the RD580 chipset comes out in Feb, Crossfire will be even better, much faster than SLi.
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Goksly said:
Yeah shame that, x1900 is 24th Jan, and the RD580 is sometime in Feb, still its only a few weeks away, if its on time.
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LoadsaMoney said:Id say the x1800 XT Crossfire was pretty good, considering it equals, and beats the 2x 256mb GTX's, and in some cases even beats the 2x 512mb GTX's, then yup id say thats a pretty good start, and Gibbo has already said when the RD580 chipset comes out in Feb, Crossfire will be even better, much faster than SLi.
when it comes to sli top end top aa/af setting usage the dfi x8 sli setup is actually marginally faster than the a8n32-sli x16 pci-e setup. i think overall the slightly newer chipset of the sli 32x pci-e lane is just a slightly better chipset which is why its a touch faster than other nf4 boards, but when you really REALLY heavily load the pci-e bus as much as possible then that added communication between the extra chipset might be whats offsetting any increase in chipset efficiency. maybe, dunno, anandtech are unsure and were waiting on more nf4 32x sli boards to show up to test, but no one wants to make one which probably shows it makes little difference. so i wouldn't expect the crossfire 2 x16 pci-e slot version will make a big difference.
People may criticise the X1900 for being built for shader heavy games instead of the texture heavy games of today but the fact is, is that you have to have the hardware to make the software possible. The card will perform admirably in current games, even if it is not as fast as nVidia's cards and that is enough for me, as I run a 19" TFT that does not need massive texture fill rate. I am going to wait for the release of both ATI's and nVidia's refresh of their current generation of cards before upgrading to the next best bang for the buck card.
drunkenmaster said:
Anandtech's own preview of RD580 (ATI Manta reference board) a couple of months back made it out to be a storming chipset and they reckoned nVidia would be in for a surprise by it's performance. It was also able to overclock the HTT without having to reduce the multiplier hence giving it around 1500Mhz in tests...
Can't wait.
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Anyone know the specs or rough price or comparison to other products that the x1900xl will come in at. Was planning on getting a x1800xl but if the x1900xl has 512 ram and a bit faster with the same overclocking potential as the x1800xl then ill be getting it.
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So would be better to stick with the x1800XL then?
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Looking on XS forums the following info seems to be available :
x1900XTX @ 650mhz Core // 775mhz Memory 512Mb GDDR3
x1900XT @ 625mhz Core // 725mhz Memory 512Mb GDDR3
Also a single x1900 (both XT and XTX) it say's needs 30amps on the 12v rail and 38amps in crossfire. Not sure how relevant this is however.
x1900XTX @ 650mhz Core // 775mhz Memory 512Mb GDDR3
x1900XT @ 625mhz Core // 725mhz Memory 512Mb GDDR3
Also a single x1900 (both XT and XTX) it say's needs 30amps on the 12v rail and 38amps in crossfire. Not sure how relevant this is however.
Randell said:
Well up until Dec '00 when 3DFX went under there were the API wars, even after 3DFX went bust there was still S3, PowerVR and ATi competing.
The timeframe you mentioned is pretty much when NVidia made a name for themselves and took control of the market with their 'Geforce' brand.
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I was looking on the XS forums, info over there is different