**XBOX ONE** Official Thread

kitch9 said:
The same Steam that sells new games for half the price and regularly has 6 month old games for half again?

That's awful.
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You rarely see new games half price on Steam and cheap 6m+ games is hardly exclusive to Steam. The majority of my 360 games were bought very cheaply and almost all of them new.

jimjamuk said:
Then go buy it from a retailer or other online store - you have a choice do you not. Or use steam when the game is 6m+ old and benefit from some decent pricing and specials. If the publishers are driving this through you can bet those AAA titles are going to be £40-£50 and with no other options (2nd hand market) gamers are going to have to pay through the nose to play them
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How will it be any different on the Xbox One? We will still have the option of buying online, or popping to a shop, exactly the same as Steam. Publishers can set the price online, but not in the shops. Exactly the same as Steam.

The 360 will have a 2nd hand market, admittedly it will be a gimped one. Exactly the same.... Wait no, I cant sell my Steam games can I?

Seriously, getting hold of new games will be exactly the same as steam, but loaning/selling will be more permissive on the Xbox One. I know I shouldn't blaspheme but Gabe (peace be upon him) is not the patron saint of gamers.
 
skippi90 said:
MS say that the whole point is to eliminate waiting for updates and the like, so I'd imagine they plan on a decent amount of data going through at these regular connected periods.
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I bet there is a lot of data but not coming down to the user but uploading to ms on what people have been doing most will be to do with marketing i bet.

Like i said what my friend suggested would have worked fine for basic handshake every 24hr but this isn't about that or updates it's about control/drm.


ZG002 said:
Are you sure? I'm pretty sure you could flash a xbox 360 drive and play pirate games well before you could ps3. As in well over a year before.

From a quick google, it would seem pirates could use the 360 in 2006 and the ps3 was hacked in 2010.
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It depends on what you would class as "hack"

xbox 360 had modified dvd drive firmware released in 2006 for just one hitachi drive the proper hacking wasn't until around 2010 when the jtag exploit was found.

ps3 was modified in 2006 but it could only run ps1/ps2 games until a modchip in 2007 but again the proper hacking didn't kick in until the jailbreak exploits which happened again around 2010.

Sony closed the exploits very quickly with updates this was a lot harder task for MS to do due to it being the dvd drives that was exploited.

It doesn't matter anyway the most pirated games when you look at figures on the internet are also the best selling ones so that again shows there was no harm done.

Piracy is very over rated it has been proven many times by experts it does not cause the harm the bigger corps want you to think and if it was such a big issue how are all these companies still around then
 
cu3ed said:
People posting on an internet forum getting annoyed about a 24 hr check in the background etc...via...the...internet.

I can only assume all PS4 owner never intend to hook their machine up to the internet.
All before you even have seen the PS4 or ANY of their polices lol...brilliant.
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Sony have already said that the PS4 can run completely offline.
 
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House said:
Must be a diffrent steam to the one im using, new AAA titles on steam are always more than at online stores for physical media (even steam activated games)

But we must not speak evil of steam must we or Gabe the second coming wont give us a steam box with almost excatly the same DRM structure as the XBox One but you cant resell your games at all
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I paid £26.00 for Grid 2 from Steam, if Steam is too high I can go to GMG and see if I can get a cheaper key which can be used on Steam, I can even use some of the key providers from abroad which again can be used on Steam if I want to snag a bargain.

So yeah, because I am smart I can pay half the price of a console game and use it on Steam.

If console games were the price of PC games this DRM thing would be a non issue, but it appears MS and Pubs want their cake and to be able to eat it buy charging huge prices for new and nerfing any chance of buying used.

Only a complete dimwitted moron would try to defend what is happening.
 
kitch9 said:
I paid £26.00 for Grid 2 from Steam, if Steam is too high I can go to GMG and see if I can get a cheaper key which can be used on Steam, I can even use some of the key providers from abroad which again can be used on Steam if I want to snag a bargain.

So yeah, because I am smart I can pay half the price of a console game and use it on Steam.

If console games were the price of PC games this DRM thing would be a non issue, but it appears MS and Pubs want their cake and to be able to eat it buy charging huge prices for new and nerfing any chance of buying used.

Only a complete dimwitted moron would try to defend what is happening.
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How is that different to how it is on the Xbox One? If the Xbox Live price is too expensive, I can still go elsewhere.

But better than steam I can still sell the game on, even if its only once, and let someone else play my library.
 
and wrong, they say up to 10 people in your family can play games form you library at the same time........

It doesn't say if you can play the same game at once I doubt that but we will see.

Some people should read before making these things.
 
House said:
and wrong, they say up to 10 people in your family can play games form you library at the same time........

It doesn't say if you can play the same game at once I doubt that but we will see.

Some people should read before making these things.
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LOL. It does. One person out of those 10 can play at the same time.
 
my isp has had 2 outages of the 120mb service in portsmouth in the past year - the longest of which was 3 whole days. This has always been the case over the years as sometimes virgin/ntl need time to totally upgrade an area or fix a major fault or damage. In this time I would be console less. I played on steam when the last outage happened 2 days ago. I've since found out my mobile company lets me onto bt wifi which we have 2 modems of in the range of the flat so I guess I could get on if I had to. is bt open wifi everywhere because everywhere I go you can always see it in the list of connections at peoples houses.
 
mattf said:
sony have been very vague regarding used games, quite possible they may go the same way
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Yea, their silence worries me. I fully expect them to do the same as MS. "Well WE aren't stopping 2nd hand sales, its the publishers!"

Remember this is Sony. The people that put rootkits on their audio CD's, the people that sued the guy that hacked the PS3. The ones that actually removed an advertised feature from the PS3 AFTER people bought it (Linux).
 
ic1male said:
LOL. It does. One person out of those 10 can play at the same time.
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Ok re-read it, all those Ones in a sentence are confusing as hell.

I can play on the master console as I read it and one other family member on another console. that's 2 people I guess in human speak.
 
Woden said:
Yea, their silence worries me. I fully expect them to do the same as MS. "Well WE aren't stopping 2nd hand sales, its the publishers!"

Remember this is Sony. The people that put rootkits on their audio CD's, the people that sued the guy that hacked the PS3. The ones that actually removed an advertised feature from the PS3 AFTER people bought it (Linux).
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people are hammering MS about the xbox one but there has been more to see so far from MS than Sony has shown of PS4. My guess is they will be very very similar in performance and gfx. I await E3 with baited breath.
 
I hope for competition sake between consoles that MS pull some magic beans out of the hat at E3.

I personally think this could seriously damage MS if the xbone fails. Industry are still using XP, windows 8 has had a serious kicking and windows phones aren't exactly in hot demand on the grand scheme of things.
 
My biggest gripe regarding MS's handling of this situation is that they tried to say that the media were twisting things, only for those things to be confirmed by MS later.
 
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