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On the other hand, if the games are 100% download then no one can sell it....then we would be fine with it....because it is stuck anyway.

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No way big publishers will abandon Sony if they refuse DRM. MW3 sold like 8m+ copies on ps3. For the series of cod games your looking at 25m. No way they would chuck them sort of sales because they may potentially lose a few hundred thousand sales because of used games.
 
ps3ud0 said:
Perhaps I havent made my point that clear, I accept that the console makers have more to lose, but that doesnt mean publishers dont have either.

Lets take the absurd example that Sony do go through with DRM-less games and EA et al boycott the platform and so Sony and PS4 goes down in flames. Do we really think that the investments these publishers have put in (no doubt you are talking a few years of development for most games) would allow themselves to absorb such a loss of potential revenue? I cant see their investors being particularly pleased about such actions especially considering the knock on effect it would have for many years to come.

All Im saying is those ultimatums youve mentioned just appear to be pretty simplistic considering whats at stake. The relationship between platform owner and publisher seems far more mutualistic rather than parasitic in nature. No doubt my argument is overly simplistic itself and I concede reductio ad absurdum.

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The hit would be much lower this generation though. So this years games, maybe next would be a loss. But if the PS4 tanked, the vast majority of the players would move to the Xbox, its not like the PS4 gamers would be forever lost in some mass suicide.

And even then, the cost of porting games is now going to be a lot cheaper, all the three big platforms are running more or less the same hardware. Especially the consoles, same CPU/GPU vendors. It has never been cheaper for the publishers to screw the consumers.
 
ps3ud0 said:
Perhaps I havent made my point that clear, I accept that the console makers have more to lose, but that doesnt mean publishers dont have either.

Lets take the absurd example that Sony do go through with DRM-less games and EA et al boycott the platform and so Sony and PS4 goes down in flames. Do we really think that the investments these publishers have put in (no doubt you are talking a few years of development for most games) would allow themselves to absorb such a loss of potential revenue? I cant see their investors being particularly pleased about such actions especially considering the knock on effect it would have for many years to come.

All Im saying is those ultimatums youve mentioned just appear to be pretty simplistic considering whats at stake. The relationship between platform owner and publisher seems far more mutualistic rather than parasitic in nature. No doubt my argument is overly simplistic itself and I concede reductio ad absurdum.

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If Sony come out and do the right thing and give those pushy publishers the finger - many gamers are going to get a ps4 on principle alone - when those numbers rack up then those publishers are going to be back with their tails between their legs. Money talks
 
Woden said:
The hit would be much lower this generation though. So this years games, maybe next would be a loss. But if the PS4 tanked, the vast majority of the players would move to the Xbox, its not like the PS4 gamers would be forever lost in some mass suicide.
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I expect a significant majority of PS4 gamers will be people that have been alienated by MS approach (in my scenerio I stated before people put 2+2 together and make 5), so no I dont think its a given theyll just jump onto the console they intentionally avoided in the first place.

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I'm an IT contractor, so, currently I'm looking at a contract in Paris, negotiate work from home on a Friday, so fly back on Thursday and back out on Sunday, so, what happens, if, in my case, the box isn't online? They haven't told us the penalty yet.
 
bluesouljah said:
I'm an IT contractor, so, currently I'm looking at a contract in Paris, negotiate work from home on a Friday, so fly back on Thursday and back out on Sunday, so, what happens, if, in my case, the box isn't online? They haven't told us the penalty yet.
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Its just that it cant play games til its seen online again...

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Okay, so the one time activation every 24 hours is false? Guess, its all a bit vague. I expected something behind the 24 hour thing, otherwise "just when you next log in" wouldn't sound so draconian.
 
ps3ud0 said:
I expect a significant majority of PS4 gamers will be people that have been alienated by MS approach (in my scenerio I stated before people put 2+2 together and make 5), so no I dont think its a given theyll just jump onto the console they intentionally avoided in the first place.

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Gamers gonna game. If the PS4 or the XB1 tank and end up getting no games ... how many of them are going to sit there thinking "oh well, better give up gaming!"?
 
bluesouljah said:
Okay, so the one time activation every 24 hours is false? Guess, its all a bit vague. I expected something behind the 24 hour thing, otherwise "just when you next log in" wouldn't sound so draconian.
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No, after 24 hours your games will stop working. Then when you next log in, they'll work again for 24 hours more.
 
bluesouljah said:
Okay, so the one time activation every 24 hours is false? Guess, its all a bit vague. I expected something behind the 24 hour thing, otherwise "just when you next log in" wouldn't sound so draconian.
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No what it means is that it phones home every 24hours to allow you to play as normal, once you miss a deadline it just doesnt let you play games - how long it appears offline I assume doesnt matter, more that it needs to be seen online again before you can play games again and back to the 24hr phone home...

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Skyfall said:
What is the big deal with the one needing to connect to the internet all the time... Are all of our boxes not connected to the internet 24/7 anyway.

What a bunch of crybabies.
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What about when you come back for your holiday in the sun and find that your new console won't work because you've had it unplugged for two weeks?
 
Why would publishers even consider going against one of their biggest partners in the first place? They make millions from selling Playstation games, they aren't suddenly going to start crapping on their own doorstep for nothing. The lost sales from the Sony console will not be made up by any activation fee issued to used games. Do you think EA would have canned those online activation codes if they were super profitable? People moaned but they still bought the online passes, EA's thinly veiled "we're listening to feedback" rubbish was basically them saying that they're royally annoying people and there's no big financial gain either, otherwise they would have kept at it regardless of how many gamers it upset.

Losing potentially billions of dollars is not something they are going to actively pursue by threatening Sony, there's the chance that people would go to PC as well or simply not bother playing. There's no guarantee that cutting Call of Duty for example would lead to every CoD player buying an Xbox instead. It's a massive gamble and businesses would in no way instigate that big of a gamble when sales of their product are already guaranteed to bring in billions of dollars over the course of the PS4's life cycle.
 
Woden said:
Gamers gonna game. If the PS4 or the XB1 tank and end up getting no games ... how many of them are going to sit there thinking "oh well, better give up gaming!"?
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I dno, I fall down on the side of the idea that gamers arent as dumb as platform owners/publishers think they are, but hey they sell games by the millions while I dont.

Perhaps Im just optimistic in that respect :p. Personally Im pretty good at action once I start moaning, nor has it ever struck me that Im particularly stupid ;)

EDIT: I did allude to a caveat in a previous post when I mentioned 'established gamers' so perhaps Im more talking about the subset of gamers that have grown up without these measures and so propbably far more likely to have an adverse reaction to such mechanisms.

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msmalls74 said:
Think some have escaped on to this forum :D

Pretty sure we dont know the full story on all the details MS has given us, some things seem to be very restictive, some open for abuse or just a bit strange. Shame that MS have cancelled their pre E3 round table and many Post E3 1-1s with sites that would prob ask them the more difficult questions, all down to scheduling conflicts apparantly :rolleyes:
All we know is with Sony they have said many times that you will not require an internet connection to play PS4 games, and they will not block used games, publishers may though much like they could do with the PS3. Now with no required net connection how will publishers enforce their DRM? I did wonder if publishers would enforce a new type of online pass but for the single player game, but how would that work without an online check? Hoipefully we will find out the answers next week, but i got a feeling all wont be clear till nearer launch.
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yep

hopefully it's just the online pass
 
K1LLSW1TCH said:
EA's thinly veiled "we're listening to feedback" rubbish was basically them saying that they're royally annoying people and there's no big financial gain either, otherwise they would have kept at it regardless of how many gamers it upset.
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I dont think it would be that surprising if EA were in the loop regards MSs and no doubt Sonys next generation of consoles and DRM features when they made the seemingly altruisic decision to remove the requirement of online passes :p. They did well to spin it though, Im sure quite a few swallowed the bull semen (wait I got that phrase wrong I think :D)

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The big question is: who stands to gain the most from these restrictions? I can't see how it's MS, though I may have missed something. To me, the devs and publishers stand to gain the most.
 
No doubt they were in the loop but if their current operation was profitable for them I doubt they would have ended it when they had the opportunity to rake in a good half a year's worth of online pass sales, and beyond. Just because we are looking at picking these up shortly doesn't mean the already massive userbases of the 360 and PS3 will be dropping the current gen en masse.
 
K1LLSW1TCH said:
No doubt they were in the loop but if their current operation was profitable for them I doubt they would have ended it when they had the opportunity to rake in a good half a year's worth of online pass sales, and beyond. Just because we are looking at picking these up shortly doesn't mean the already massive userbases of the 360 and PS3 will be dropping the current gen en masse.
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Be interesting to see if EA release any non-franchise game on the PS3/360 post this year - sure E3 will give us a better idea. Though I am quite a biased critic when it comes to EA ;)
nicktay2605 said:
The big question is: who stands to gain the most from these restrictions? I can't see how it's MS, though I may have missed something. To me, the devs and publishers stand to gain the most.
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Well ones going to make lots of money while the other makes lots of money because the others made lots of money. All I can say unequivocally is that the gamers the one to lose the most.

Ok Im getting bored of my own posts, time for bed...

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