**XBOX ONE** Official Thread

[Davey_Pitch]

This is the Xbox one thread, not the Xbox One positive news thread of bowing down to Microsoft.

What is happening on the Xbox is potentially massive and cannot be overstated, it needs to be discussed and not accepted otherwise gaming will be run by what is effectively a cartel who can do what they like.

And that's why you should leave the thread. You're not discussing anything, you've already made up your mind that what MS are doing is evil and needs to be stopped. The majority of people in here may not agree with it, but they're open minded enough to consider the future possibilities.

 

[ps3ud0]

This is the Xbox one thread, not the Xbox One positive news thread of bowing down to Microsoft.

What is happening on the Xbox is potentially massive and cannot be overstated, it needs to be discussed and not accepted otherwise gaming will be run by what is effectively a cartel who can do what they like.

TBH I feel I need to reply as no doubt Im not that far from your opinion, I just attempt to at least make a considered post (or one that at least if challenged I could back up/explain), a lot of what you post makes it sound like you are on a personal crusade (especially the volume of replies you make) and rather than getting people to read your posts you are probably making them automatically dismiss them.

I think people are far more likely to consider your point if you dont layer it with so much venom, only reason Im saying this is that Im finding it hard to have a debate on this subject because all I see is defensive posts to and fro and a real lack of discussion.

No doubt people are aware of my own opinion, I dont attempt to hide it, no doubt theres some bias from the differing viewpoint, but yet to see people have a major issue with some stuff Ive mentioned that goes against the grain (and Ive said quite a bit 'anti-MS').

You arent talking to idiots, the vast majority arent fanboys (there are a few of course), they are just forming their decision on either the facts we all know or details theyve derived themselves which I guess is open to interpretation (or doesnt consider all the information out there), just because that derivation is different to yours doesnt make it wrong. If you feel you are right then make your argument, rather than just argue.

TBH Im just tired of feeling I need to get people onside first before I can actually get a useful/considered set of replies...

ps3ud0

 

[Pigeon_Killer]

Does kitch9 work for Sony? Seems to have a massive interest in the XB1 despite having no interest in buying one

 

[Glaucus]

It should surprise you, none of it is logical, or providing any tangible benefit. Its just a massive attempted power grab and MS trying to force their will onto the market that isn't ready and won't be for years.

Instead of pushing the logical value driven transition to digital, MS just decided to force this ugly set of rules on everyone and force it through.

Not at all, they've just gone digital distribution and is no different to many other digital distrabution methods, with two differences they are allowing reselling of digital media (something you can't do on any other digital delivery system, possibly due to that eu railing last year). The physical disc thing just seems to be a bit of legacy, but something they can't quite phase out just yet.

It very much bothered me to start with, but the more I think about it, the less it does.
I buy most of my stuff through digital means and these aren't reselable, I buy 99% of games through steam, can't sell them and you have to be online to play, unless you select play offline in advance, but doesn't help you if Internet goes down.

Can you resale games purchase on PS through digital distrubtion? I very much doubt it.

 

[kitch9]

On a positive note, Major Nelson is refuting the blocking of your games if you get banned.

MS really should stop their support answering questions.

 

[Davey_Pitch]

On a positive note, Major Nelson is refuting the blocking of your games if you get banned.

MS really should stop their support answering questions.

That is good news. MS really should stop giving out any information, hire some new PR guys, and almost start again. The transfer of information really has been so poor.

 

[Glaucus]

That is good news. MS really should stop giving out any information, hire some new PR guys, and almost start again. The transfer of information really has been so poor.

It has for a while, it's where they really do **** up.
Same happened around win8, outlook migration, Skype migration.
They really are usless at press conferences and details.

I thought they might of learnt, but oh no.

 

[ps3ud0]

Not at all, they've just gone digital distribution and is no different to many other digital distrabution methods, with two differences they are allowing reselling of digital media (something you can't do on any other digital delivery system, possibly due to that eu railing last year). The physical disc thing just seems to be a bit of legacy, but something they can't quite phase out just yet.

It very much bothered me to start with, but the more I think about it, the less it does.
I buy most of my stuff through digital means and these aren't reselable, I buy 99% of games through steam, can't sell them and you have to be online to play, unless you select play offline in advance, but doesn't help you if Internet goes down.

Can you resale games purchase on PS through digital distrubtion? I very much doubt it.

I dno, I have some concerns about digital distribution myself, its a great ideal, just dont think the framework nor the consumer is well placed now nor in say 5 years time. Theres some 'Sun headline-like' disadvantages to contend with and the benefits arent that easily sold without some necessary assumptions.

It will need to be pushed, do I think MS within the console realm are the people to push it? Nope not in my opinion, I definitely think the PC market is far more down the road than consoles are so it makes more sense to push it there (on numerous mediums) before consoles get involved.

Physical discs seem legacy? Not for the average joe...

One dipstick method of assessing this might just be XO penetration by country after its been launched where its launched...

ps3ud0

 

[Glaucus]

I dno, I have some concerns about digital distribution myself, its a great ideal, just dont think the framework nor the consumer is well placed now nor in say 5 years time. :

I don't see how you can say this, with the success of steam, iTunes and other services.
Many of which are squarely aimed at average users.

It doesn't need pushing on pcs, pcs are already dominated by digital distrabution. Even console users are use to it for music, movies etc.
and the entire population is used to it on mobile phone platforms, where people through money at apps and content.

 

[ps3ud0]

I don't see how you can say this, with the success of steam, iTunes and other services.
Many of which are squarely aimed at average users.

It doesn't need pushing on pcs, pcs are already dominated by digital distrabution.

Its just simple things like digital distribution on video still isnt BD quality so I just cant see how you can sell that advantage to the average joe when you are moving to effectively an inferior service, theres a lot of comprimises (outside of music which I agree is a given already) when it comes to large-filesize media IMO. Thats even before you consider the kind of internet service you would expect to service such needs (what happens when 4k is adopted in such a digital world?)...

Strides towards isnt ubiquitous acceptation (on PCs) and digital distribution shouldnt mean a compromise compared to the service you already recieve.

I think you havent seen the whole picture and just looked at how you can digest media now digitally, which I agree is fine when you talk about music, just isnt anywhere near where it needs to be for video nor console gaming. Its why I mentioned PCs as that movement has already started but its nowhere near complete.

ps3ud0

 

[Edz]

Not at all, they've just gone digital distribution and is no different to many other digital distrabution methods, with two differences they are allowing reselling of digital media (something you can't do on any other digital delivery system, possibly due to that eu railing last year). The physical disc thing just seems to be a bit of legacy, but something they can't quite phase out just yet.

It very much bothered me to start with, but the more I think about it, the less it does.
I buy most of my stuff through digital means and these aren't reselable, I buy 99% of games through steam, can't sell them and you have to be online to play, unless you select play offline in advance, but doesn't help you if Internet goes down.

Can you resale games purchase on PS through digital distrubtion? I very much doubt it.

The questions is, why do we have to go digital? And if that's the case then make it competitive like Steam. The fact is that neither the consoles are competitive on their stores especially with 3rd party games unlike on Steam. So we are a little concerned that going digital = getting screwed.

At present I probably buy 30 games through the year, without resale this number would be more than half which means I get less gaming and enjoy less games. That is not what I want...

 

[Glaucus]

Its just simple things like digital distribution on video still isnt BD quality so I just cant see how you can sell that advantage to the average joe when you are moving to effectively an inferior service, :

You get it there and then, you get it on any device you sign into etc, lots of beneifts.

And games aren't going to be reduced qaulity because you buy digital.

 

[craptakular]

The questions is, why do we have to go digital? And if that's the case then make it competitive like Steam. The fact is that neither the consoles are competitive on their stores especially with 3rd party games unlike on Steam. So we are a little concerned that going digital = getting screwed.

At present I probably buy 30 games through the year, without resale this number would be more than half which means I get less gaming and enjoy less games. That is not what I want...

Buy a ps4, win win?

 

[ps3ud0]

You get it there and then, you get it on any device you sign into etc, lots of beneifts.

And games aren't going to be reduced qaulity because you buy digital.

Oh I know, its just that if simple things that can easily be assessed like video isnt like for like between traditional vs digital distribution then I think for the 'average joe' its hard to sell that advantage because the compromise is so obvious.

I think PC gamers are far more clued up than console gamers so I do think moving to a pure digital distribution model is far more likely to happen there first than on consoles. We still work on so many assumptions and ultimately it does look like it might just end up costing the 'average joe' more (I cant see spread of internet connections today being acceptable in that world and I doubt digital distribution really means a cheaper product straight away, more that it might be a more considered one)

And my last point isnt a dig at you, I know you are far more clued up than most when it comes to digesting media, but I do think convenience just cant keep being the answer to provide a potentially inferior product.

Its a difficult subject to get your head around, not something I feel comfortable to discuss because a lot of it feels like guesswork.

ps3ud0

 

[Firestar_3x]

Not at all, they've just gone digital distribution and is no different to many other digital distrabution methods, with two differences they are allowing reselling of digital media (something you can't do on any other digital delivery system, possibly due to that eu railing last year). The physical disc thing just seems to be a bit of legacy, but something they can't quite phase out just yet.

It very much bothered me to start with, but the more I think about it, the less it does.
I buy most of my stuff through digital means and these aren't reselable, I buy 99% of games through steam, can't sell them and you have to be online to play, unless you select play offline in advance, but doesn't help you if Internet goes down.

Can you resale games purchase on PS through digital distrubtion? I very much doubt it.

Yep, but it's more fun when you jump on the bandwagon.

 

[biron_w]

Lolz!

 

[Skyboat]

Oh I know, its just that if simple things that can easily be assessed like video isnt like for like between traditional vs digital distribution then I think for the 'average joe' its hard to sell that advantage because the compromise is so obvious.

Slightly OT but as broadband speeds get faster and newer codecs like H.265 (aka HEVC) are introduced BD quality video will be a lot more accessible whilst taking up less storage space, maybe even streamable.

It'll happen eventually, but not yet. Sadly it is the way it is going for all media consumption, not just music and games.

 

[Glaucus]

Oh I

I think PC gamers are far more clued up than console gamers so I do think moving to a pure digital distribution model is far more likely to happen there first than on consoles. We still work on so many assumptions and ultimately it does look like it might just end up costing the 'average joe' more (I cant see spread of internet connections today being acceptable in that world and I doubt digital distribution really means a cheaper product straight away, more that it might be a more considered one)

because a lot of it feels like guesswork.

ps3ud0

You don't seem to realise that pc gaming is already digital distributed. It has allready happened. And video is allready being sold to hundreads of millions despite being lower qaulity through the likes if iTunes/Xbox and amazonUS

 

[ps3ud0]

You don't seem to realise that pc gaming is already digital distributed. It has allready happened. And video is allready being sold to hundreads of millions despite being lower qaulity through the likes if iTunes/Xbox and amazonUS

Of course I realise its started but its not ubiquitous, nowhere close. Not every PC game goes through Steam, UPlay or Origin...

I think your interpretation of digital distribution is nowhere close to what I understand it to be, having something thats not of the same quality isnt a replacement, not at all...

ps3ud0

 

[Glaucus]

Digital pc game sales surpassed retail sales several years ago. So yes digital distribution is the king on pc and doesn't need pushing, it's well established and increasing its lead even further.