**XBOX ONE** Official Thread

Davey_Pitch said:
Assuming the same system was in place now, it would certainly beat me having to carry my 100+ Xbox 360 game collection around with me ;)
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Why would you need that many games?

Can you have all of these 100+ installed on your xbox anyway?

Glaucus said:
And how many places don't have an Internet connection?
And no, it has gone. Always going to have every disc on you, going to back up all your progress and achivments? Going to have DLC burnt to a disc at a latter time? I don't think so.
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Plenty of places do not have reliable internet connections and internet speeds for downloading games are still not brilliant.
 
Those plenty of places can't afford an xbox and is one reason why physical discs were still available.
You didnt now what you were talking about(again this isn't your fault, that's down to Ms), and now just arguing for the sake of it.
 
Why would someone buy a device that spies on you? I don't get it.

Both main consoles are designed to pillage your personal information, and feed that info to god-knows-who, probably the NSA if recent news is anything to go by. Just remember not to say the words "bomb" or "allah" in front of your xbox when you get it.
 
Davey_Pitch said:
Your profile and game collection was stored online. I could come around to your house, sign in with my profile, and have complete access to my entire game collection, with DLC and saves.

Admittedly we'd have to download the games to play them, but the feature was there.
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Heh, this has been on PS3 for years to some extent (with regards to digital downloads), except that it got abused to high hell and back. The result: 2 console activations per PSN account now, down from 5 :)
 
Davey_Pitch said:
I wonder what the changes will mean in regards to save games. Before the announcement, all saves were being done through the cloud, so that if I went to a friends house, my saves would be there. Now that these changes have been made, will all saves revert to my local drive instead? Wouldn't mind some clarification on that.
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They can keep the cloud saves no problem, it's easier than downloading an entire game at a friends house.

Davey_Pitch said:
Well, if you have an Xbox One (under previous restrictions), then you obviously had the internet. Now you're just arguing for the sake of it.
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Not really, it's one thing having an internet connection, it's another to have one that can download a game quickly at my house (under the idea you have come round to game at my house), I'd just tell you to bring your disc and login and play with saves in the cloud.
 
Davey_Pitch said:
Well, if you have an Xbox One (under previous restrictions), then you obviously had the internet. Now you're just arguing for the sake of it.
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Never understood why they chose to go down that route orginally. 46 million Live accounts yet 78 million Xbox 360 sales. 32 million is a huge number of users to basically cast aside and that's before we discuss the minimum bandwidth requirements which I'm sure would've impacted even more users.
 
I think its very good Microsoft listened and changed the drm policies. It's definitely what everyone wanted and its generally good for the gaming community. But for me personally this whole experience leaves a bad taste in my mouth, I think they are going to have a tough time to get people to forget about this.
It kinda makes it clear that Microsoft were just trying to see what they could get away with, and when they realised they weren't going to get away with it they quickly backtracked.
All that junk about how the games are going to have cloud computing to make them better and that's why they need to be on-line etc... I dunno, I've just lost a lot of respect for them.
 
Glaucus said:
This shows they didnt understand it.

How can you do any method when it's a digital license, it has to be removed from your account and applied to a different account. This means it has to be done in a way with access to the MS servers. That will never happen on ebay etc.

The fact they are digital licenses and transferable, is the reason you have to connect once every 24hrs to check you still have the license.

There alternative is t do what they now have done, digital license with no rights and physical copies with same rights as you have now, with no digital benefits.

Two small downsides(registered retailer and 24hr check) is well worth the massive upsides of a digital license.

Steam works offline as you can't transfer digital licenses. Steam you have no consumer rights. MS was trying to give people the benefits of digital whilst retaining the benefits of Physical as closely as technically resable.

So no you don't understand it and this is the main reason why Ms has failed so badly. They failed to sell the vision, not becuase it was bad, but becuase very few people had a clue what was going on.
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No I do understand it perfectly, and your making plenty of assumptions with very little to back it up.

Firstly I don't believe it's impossible to find a way, they lacked the creativity to make it happen.

Secondly there's no reason why they couldn't make it so offline mode required the disc. In fact that's an obvious solution. Clearly you are the one that doesn't fully understand.
 
ps3ud0 said:
All Im saying is that you saying they are 'wrong' and you are 'right' just isnt a great way to make your point. Just because your idea of the future isnt shared by the majority doesnt automatically make them 'wrong', which is why I deemed your comment as narrow minded (perhaps short sighted would have been better).

Yes this will cause change to happen slower, but maybe we just werent ready yet. I dont think its fair to knee-jerk and think thats narrow minded per se. Its up to the owner of that vision/change to sell it, you cant expect the populace to use the same faculties to draw the same conclusion, nor to the same depth. The multitude of pages here and across the internet are tantamount to that.

ps3ud0 :cool:
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I'd agree if I'd actually said my way of thinking was "right" but I never did, nor did I insinuate that. I merely stated a fact that is very true - that the lack of vision will stunt growth and progress, that's not opinion, it's fact.

The world is full of people that complain about the most trivial things, rightly or wrongly, it's just the culture we live in today. That doesn't make it right to do so, as more often than not, it's not for a true benefit or cause.

Stating (as many have done) that things should stay as they are, is the very definition of narrow minded and short sightedness as there is no caveat or exclusion to their statements. If they were to say something to the effect of "it would be nice to play used games and that the console doesn't require a permanent connection to the net to be used, but I understand that some of the benefits I will receive may conflict with that" would be a balanced and reasoned argument.

As you well know, there are far more people hopping on the bandwagon regarding the internet issue than are actually affected by it. If the melodramatic mob is to be believed then pretty much no-one has internet access, which is obviously utterly absurd!

I see both sides of the coin as it's what I do on a day to day basis, it's part of my job and something I'm very good at. When you see and meet as many people as I have, you may start to empathize with why I feel the general populace is degenerating into a complaining and entitled society. Throwing a hissy fit about not being able to play a used game is a very different thing to delivering a measured and reasoned argument or response....
 
Pigeon_Killer said:
Never understood why they chose to go down that route orginally. 46 million Live accounts yet 78 million Xbox 360 sales. 32 million is a huge number of users to basically cast aside and that's before we discuss the minimum bandwidth requirements which I'm sure would've impacted even more users.
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Indeed, I always did think that part was strange, even though I really liked some of the online features they were planning.
 
Azza said:
The fact that the crap obviously isn't integral to the system and how they acted and responded pre-E3 just shows that they were waiting to see how pre-orders numbers were. Otherwise they would have done this before E3 when there was already a massive amount of discontent amongst consumers and media.
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How else do you differentiate between a few loud voices and the loud voice of the majority? There was definitely a lot of noise about Xbox One DRM, but it's not so easy to hear exactly where, who and how many it is coming from. Pre-order figures give the detail, the actual numbers. Waiting on them is only sensible.

ScarySquirrel said:
Does anyone know if this affects the digital family sharing with up to 10 friends? I really hope they haven't removed that as a result of this back tracking.
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Gone... for now. Might be back, possibly only for Games on Demand. There's no details, Don Mattick just told Kotaku that it might reappear at some point.
 
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Glaucus said:
Those plenty of places can't afford an xbox and is one reason why physical discs were still available.
You didnt now what you were talking about(again this isn't your fault, that's down to Ms), and now just arguing for the sake of it.
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Oh, is this one of those stories where your cats sisters, brothers owners pet hamsters fish's breeder works at Microsoft and you have information nobody else has? :D.

Yes, those places would get a Playstation 4 (although many of those places are still a console generation behind 'us').

Physical discs are great for consoles :), while a Steam type system wouldn't be a disaster, I don't think forcing people to adopt that is the correct thing to do, and apparently a lot of other people agreed.
 
Azza said:
The fact that the crap obviously isn't integral to the system and how they acted and responded pre-E3 just shows that they were waiting to see how pre-orders numbers were. Otherwise they would have done this before E3 when there was already a massive amount of discontent amongst consumers and media.
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It was integral to the system, that is why you have lost a lot of the digital benefits, as they can no longer be achieved.
 
Why is Steam mentioned all the time? I buy my steam games for £5 I dont care about selling them. The Xbone wouldnt sell games for anywhere close to what Steam does.
 
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