I though it was £80 cheaper? And 50% more powerful?
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That single part of the game won't, no. That's a small part of the game though isn't it? Not like by removing the internet half of the cars and tracks won't work
I actually couldn't find it, hence why i asked
What about if you take a disc based game you own and have registered to your account and take it around to your mates house? Will that still require the hourly checks?
It works exactly like it does now - so if you take a game around to your friends house, you can play it without restrictions (though you may need to sign into your own account to access the MP portion). As it stands now, it looks like there will be no tying of games to your account.
MS have been very clear on this with their press release - beyond the initial set up of the Xbox One, the console can be used completely offline. The sharing of discs and games works exactly like it does now.
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My guess - relatively little. Only the hardcore gamers pre-order this early, so the rest of the consumers will simply make a decision on what console they want based on games and other features, rather than any massive DRM changes. What MS need to worry about now is the price - £80 more expensive than the PS4. That alone is still enough to drive a lot of consumers towards the PS4.
@Davey _pitch, it wouldn't if even taken a day, yes it was very much integral to the original xbone, due to the nature of the digital license, all they have to do is remove all that code and as we've already seen all the digital bonus gave been thrown out the window.
It was integral for the licenses to implement sharing, resale etc, remove those and you can remove the drm
It was integral for the licenses to implement sharing, resale etc, remove those and you can remove the drm
Is the PS4 really 25% more powerful? I'm only getting up to speed on the PS as I had initially been planning on the Xbox One all the way.
Wasn't one of the big 'selling points' this 300,000 server farm that could be used by games, if the console now works offline then surely games can't rely on this so it just won't be used?
As for the change, it's good news I guess, but how long until they switch back, will they wait until the next gen or have they just set a sales target at which point all of a sudden the DRM is back...
Personally I see the Kinect as a gimmick, even with the updates, don't care about the media hub side of things most of which probably won't work outside north america anyway, so all that's left is a console that's £80 more with inferior hardware (whether it makes a difference or not who knows yet). None of the exclusives are enough to sway me one way or another frankly.
As for the change, it's good news I guess, but how long until they switch back, will they wait until the next gen or have they just set a sales target at which point all of a sudden the DRM is back...
Personally I see the Kinect as a gimmick, even with the updates, don't care about the media hub side of things most of which probably won't work outside north america anyway, so all that's left is a console that's £80 more with inferior hardware (whether it makes a difference or not who knows yet). None of the exclusives are enough to sway me one way or another frankly.
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You don't think the removal of the code, the removal of a core feature like Family sharing, the testing it will all work, and then the notification to all the developers and publishers would take less than a day?
From my take on the statement I think Microsoft will still be going for digital sales, but obviously offering discs at this time.
The forza AI thing updates if you are online and I'm going to assume that there will be standard AI drivers in place for offline only consoles. If you are not online with your console the driving AI profile your machine makes will not be uploaded and will not be sent to other users machines to race in their games.
Again, from what I've read in the statement it seems Microsoft have ditched the checking in and games will not be registered to accounts. It ha gone back to the X360 days
That single part of the game won't, no. That's a small part of the game though isn't it? Not like by removing the internet half of the cars and tracks won't work
Well i thought from the press conference that the big thing was Forza 5 was "Doing away with normal AI"? So does that mean if you are restricted to offline, you get generic AI, but if your online you can access the player AI thing?
Complete speculation i know, but some of the games shown at E3 showed how certain features require an internet connection.
What about the EA sports things with the live leagues and stuff?
All the more reasons why you should not get the XBox One.
It is now proven that the policies has nothing to do with technical limitations and/or publisher relation/pressure, but simply concocted by some greedy spineless corporate weasel trying to squeeze all the money out of you.
A 'boss' who can come out and defend his companies policies publicly throughout the week, and then retract everything he stood up for is not someone, or a company that you can trust, because if they can retract them so easily today, they can re-enforce them as easily tomorrow
It's all about respect. First, Microsoft disrespected its fan base by introducing these policies. Now they have disrespected themselves by going back on their own policies that they have so strongly defended. I would have respected them more if they had followed through with it. So now they have proven themselves to be some tree swinging corporate weasel.
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I was slowly coming around to the ideas of the new console, and I think they've actually made things worse. The only thing they needed to do was to allow offline users to play their games with the disc in the console and then provided hard facts on how trading in would work with real world examples.
Forcing the disc to be in the console and removing the sharing between users is a backwards step. They have messed this whole thing up, they didn't highlight the advantages to the new console enough and now they've removed those advantages for anyone who saw them as a good thing.
Forcing the disc to be in the console and removing the sharing between users is a backwards step. They have messed this whole thing up, they didn't highlight the advantages to the new console enough and now they've removed those advantages for anyone who saw them as a good thing.
Yeah i think its around 25%.
XBox 180 is only on par when your connected to the "cloud processing".
There is another question, what happens to this "cloud processing" if you can't access it?
Will games be designed to use that service if some people don't have access to it? Therefore will your game suffer in performance because you have no internet?
What rubbish, it,s the opposite, it was very much integral, hence why the xbone no longer has any of its main selling points, as they all had to be ditched.
Awh bless, you have just realised company's are out to take your money? how sweet.
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Yes, I would imagine you get generic AI instead of Drivatar.
Some of the games at E3 did have features that used an internet connection. Both consoles showed games that feature this. If you don't have the internet, you can't use the feature. Exactly the same as it is now.
So what you're saying is that MS can't win with you. You slated them in here completely for their initial policies, and now that they've changed them, you're still slating them.
So, like I said to you several pages back when you were doing it the first time - we get that you don't like the Xbox One. You hate it. I suggest you step out of the thread and stick to the PS4 thread instead.
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As Kreeeee pointed out, how would they implement both? If you installed the game so you could play without the disc (using online checks) What's then stopping you giving the disc to a mate to play offline at the same time?
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I see the Sony fans are on damage control
I had the Xbone pre ordered as soon as I was able to.
*cry* it's 25.76% less powerful than PS4 and more expensive!!
I can understand the extra cost due to the Kinect sensor. I might actually use it this time
I had the Xbone pre ordered as soon as I was able to.
*cry* it's 25.76% less powerful than PS4 and more expensive!!
I can understand the extra cost due to the Kinect sensor. I might actually use it this time
TBH if they'd just made a built in auction house for games they'd be sorted. MMO stylee.
Don't want Forza 5 any more? Put it up for sale with a small listing and transaction fee going to MS.
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"Cloud Processing" sounds utterly amazing. Not sure what happens when it isn't available though (makes me think it will be used very specifically in a new type of "always-online" game or game-mode). PS4 may have more grunt, but the "Cloud Processing" may give the XBox One a huge advantage, given that a Killer App is made for it (Destiny....?).
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I see the Sony fans are on damage control
I had the Xbone pre ordered as soon as I was able to.
*cry* it's 25.76% less powerful than PS4 and more expensive!!
I can understand the extra cost due to the Kinect sensor. I might actually use it this time
I've heard potentially up to 40%, it seems like people are just throwing numbers around and don't really know. It's clear that the PS4 is more powerful however and the "Cloud" wasn't going to change this. Even if it's 25% less powerful that's still quite a lot since they are launch at the same time. Will most likely only see this in exclusive releases I would imagine.