All the cloud can do is minor AI and other similar things, it won't be a big advantage at all.
**XBOX ONE** Official Thread
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All the cloud can do is minor AI and other similar things, it won't be a big advantage at all.
Thing is PS4 will also have Cloud Processing as well... just not straight away at launch.
http://www.cloudtweaks.com/2013/06/cloud-computing-capabilities-in-ps4/
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I think it's hard to gauge exactly how more powerful the PS4 will be now as the developers simply haven't had enough time with it. I'm no hardware engineer, but for all we know the Xbox One could have some hidden tricks that allow developers to get more out of it, effectively off-setting the horsepower advantage the PS4 has.
I think you're right though that the exclusives will likely be where we see it most. The mutliplats will probably run very very similar.
Necessary to sell consoles. I personally was quite hopeful with what they were planning, but I wouldn't put my money on it being good and placing a preorder. MS being very coy with how they were putting across the information meant I would have had to see it in practice before wasting £550 on a new console (Xbox, headset, 1 game and 1 year subscription to Live is what I consider the cost of the console as).
How is it damage control? as far as I was aware Sony has come out of this whole debacle pretty well in the eyes of most gamers & if anyone is in damage control mode it's Microsoft changing policy left right & centre to appease lost customers.I see the Sony fans are on damage control
I don't get the Sony/Microsoft fanboys flaming each other over what a corporation does with it's next product.
Having slept on it, im still annoyed that MS have changed so much, I dont see a point in the device anymore - its just a weaker PS4 now?
The DRM drama was a non drama really, and I was really looking forward to having all my games stored online and able to access quickly from anywhere (fortunately myself and all my friends have pretty quick internet connections and could download 35gb in under the time it takes a PS3 to install a game
) and the family share stuff was going to be awesome.
Now? back to trying to keep a place to store all the game discs, back to buying 2 copies of blockbuster titles so more then one person in the household can play it at the same time, and for what? so that Joe 12 year old can trade in last generation COD for the new one (that he shouldnt be playing anyway) ?
MS, unfortunately, have it all wrong yet again.
All they had to do was:
1) You have to be online to play a game without the CD
2) You can 'revoke' the game license to trade in at a store through a built in procedure, requires an internet connection.
3) 24 hour DRM checks only exist for 'additional consoles' and material not running from the CD
there, job done. All of the digital perks, and nothing changes for those who wish to play from the CD at home or at a friends place, and they can still trade it in just as before.
/sigh
The DRM drama was a non drama really, and I was really looking forward to having all my games stored online and able to access quickly from anywhere (fortunately myself and all my friends have pretty quick internet connections and could download 35gb in under the time it takes a PS3 to install a game
) and the family share stuff was going to be awesome.Now? back to trying to keep a place to store all the game discs, back to buying 2 copies of blockbuster titles so more then one person in the household can play it at the same time, and for what? so that Joe 12 year old can trade in last generation COD for the new one (that he shouldnt be playing anyway) ?
MS, unfortunately, have it all wrong yet again.
All they had to do was:
1) You have to be online to play a game without the CD
2) You can 'revoke' the game license to trade in at a store through a built in procedure, requires an internet connection.
3) 24 hour DRM checks only exist for 'additional consoles' and material not running from the CD
there, job done. All of the digital perks, and nothing changes for those who wish to play from the CD at home or at a friends place, and they can still trade it in just as before.
/sigh
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The idea of a fanboy is strange, they support a corporation like they would a football team. Must be compensating for fairly empty lives or something I guess. In my eyes it's whoever have the best product in my price range gets my money, simple.
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Agreed, and that's why I'm getting an Xbox One first, simply because the exclusives (Forza 5 and Dead Rising 3) appeal to me more than the PS4 alternatives. Nothing more, nothing less.
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I see the Sony fans are on damage control
I had the Xbone pre ordered as soon as I was able to.
*cry* it's 25.76% less powerful than PS4 and more expensive!!
I can understand the extra cost due to the Kinect sensor. I might actually use it this time
Those that were never planning to get an Xbox One have simply moved the goal posts to 'Power' and 'Kinect' as their reasons not to.
I'm torn by the decision; I've always been a multi-console guy and I was actually looking forward to something different, to quick switching and never having to put a disc in. On the other hand having access to second hand market without limitations will save me money.
As for the 'PS4 is more powerful'; maybe it is, so was the PS3, the Xbox etc. Kojima and many other 'MS shills' as they're being labelled have said when it comes down to it there really isn't that much difference. I remember when I got my first voodoo card; would a voodoo card plus 20% really have made much difference when the jump (this time to 1080p 60fps) was so great. We'll have to wait and see but it's not going to stop me enjoying the games.
Argh! Stop with the "Kinect is just for games" attitude. It isn't. It's going to be far more than that as an interaction to the console and the hub. What none of us are understanding here, are the younger demographic. They want to smart chat with their mates, play xBox sports and play pretend tennis with their mates. If you do that on the XBOne, it's no biggy. Do it on the PS4, shell out the £50 for the camera and accessories kit. As parents, making the decision to buy these consoles will come down to the "It's included in the price, and the subscription is cheaper" argument....
Is the PS4 really 24.952% more powerful? No. It uses a massively clocked GFX (where as the XB1 is underclocked). We've all seen what happens when you push GFX cards beyond their limits (haven't we MS). It appears at least, that some Manufacturers learn from their hardware mistakes....it just isn't Sony this time
Bearing in mind our current gen of consoles could quite happily play the next gen of games (and still have room for more), the power argument is all epeen at the mo anyway
Is the PS4 really 24.952% more powerful? No. It uses a massively clocked GFX (where as the XB1 is underclocked). We've all seen what happens when you push GFX cards beyond their limits (haven't we MS). It appears at least, that some Manufacturers learn from their hardware mistakes....it just isn't Sony this time
Bearing in mind our current gen of consoles could quite happily play the next gen of games (and still have room for more), the power argument is all epeen at the mo anyway
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All the leaks which were correct suggest the PS4 has a more powerful GPU by a decent margin, but we don't know how big the difference will actually be in games.
I'm still not interested in XB1, i just prefer Sony exclusives, and don't like the idea of the forced kinect and more expensive console.
As for the power comparisons, again this cannot be compared to last gen. This time around we know both are using the same GPU architecture, just with PS4 having a higher spec version. Last gen the architectures were different and so could not be directly compared purely on looking at the specs.
Just seems to me the guys who were getting a Xbox before the changes are defending the **** out of it still and the guys who slated it are pretty much slating it even more.
The changes they made from a business point of view is a good move IMO, but its still inferior to the PS4 in terms of spec and £80 more expensive and i dont understand how people can defend that.
The changes they made from a business point of view is a good move IMO, but its still inferior to the PS4 in terms of spec and £80 more expensive and i dont understand how people can defend that.
Regarding the 'power' argument, surely its going to be similar to how PC upgrades work?
I've gone from one card to another which in terms of TF's is 40% more powerful and gained 15 FPS or so, sometimes less.
It seems to me, the PS4 will be x% more powerful in situations where the CPU and GPU are running at 100% constantly and the machine is consistently shifting 8gb files into and out of the RAM on a regular basis - something that just doesn't happen with video games.
Yes the PS4 is more powerful - it might be the difference between 60fps/1080p vs 30fps/1080p or vsync disabled - it wont be the difference between the first xbox and the 360 that some people expect it to be.
I wasnt defending it for the sake of it, I liked the digital stuff :/ it would have been awesome and fitted in with my lifestyle perfectly.
I've gone from one card to another which in terms of TF's is 40% more powerful and gained 15 FPS or so, sometimes less.
It seems to me, the PS4 will be x% more powerful in situations where the CPU and GPU are running at 100% constantly and the machine is consistently shifting 8gb files into and out of the RAM on a regular basis - something that just doesn't happen with video games.
Yes the PS4 is more powerful - it might be the difference between 60fps/1080p vs 30fps/1080p or vsync disabled - it wont be the difference between the first xbox and the 360 that some people expect it to be.
I wasnt defending it for the sake of it, I liked the digital stuff :/ it would have been awesome and fitted in with my lifestyle perfectly.
I don't think anybody is seriously saying the PS4 is almost a generation more powerful. The difference that we physically see in games might be similar to XBox vs PS2, but it could be slightly less. We're really not going to know for sure until a year or two in when we have enough games on both to see for ourselves.
Is the PS4 really 24.952% more powerful? No. It uses a massively clocked GFX (where as the XB1 is underclocked). We've all seen what happens when you push GFX cards beyond their limits (haven't we MS). It appears at least, that some Manufacturers learn from their hardware mistakes....it just isn't Sony this time
That argument makes no sense.
It's got better graphics hardware and higher clocks... and that makes it not more powerful... WUT?!
It's also not 'massively clocked' its at a reasonable speed for the hardware in question, designed specifically to fit a pre determined power and thermal envelope.
MS have already stated they didn't go all out of the GPU because they wanted to use the parts budget for the console on other features.
Also it's not just higher clocks it also has more CU's (18 vs 12), then add on the performance boost that running GDDR5 vs GDDR3, and the fact that according to rumour the PS4 OS is much lighter on resources than the Xbox Ones Windows variant.
There is no denying that hardware wise, when it comes down to pure performance the PS4 has the lead.
How that actually translates into games is a different question. As has already been mentioned, on mulit platform titles they are probably going to be very similar. On exclusive titles there could be a large gap between the best the Xbox can produce vs the best a PS4 can do, as the PS4 simply has more resources that can be used.
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It's £80 more expensive because it has Kinect bundled. I like Kinect and want to see where developers go with it now they are guaranteed that the consumers have it.
Edit: The console is only more inferior spec wise when it comes to hardware. From a software and functionality point of view, the Xbox is ahead IMO.
Mircosoft have also announced that they will be changing the name from the Xbox one to the Xbox 180 in line with the new policy statement! they also thought about calling it the WiiU-turn but did not want it confused with a last gen-console (Not really my view just fanboy bait ).
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