Xbox Originals Won't Have Achievements

I think its disappointing, and will affect their sales. I could have understood if theyd said it wasnt possible for a technical reason, but the reason (Or excuse) given just smacks of laziness.

Personally I dont think I'll be bothering with any of them, depends what else gets released.

And question of the day is, does this mean they are going to stop on backwards compatiblity?
 
roboffer said:
I think its disappointing, and will affect their sales. I could have understood if theyd said it wasnt possible for a technical reason, but the reason (Or excuse) given just smacks of laziness.

Personally I dont think I'll be bothering with any of them, depends what else gets released.

And question of the day is, does this mean they are going to stop on backwards compatiblity?
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Laziness by who MS or the games developers? Aint Bungie distanced themselves from MS now? how can MS just go in and re-work their game code? surely some legal issues there no?
 
Mr Men said:
Laziness by who MS or the games developers? Aint Bungie distanced themselves from MS now? how can MS just go in and re-work their game code? surely some legal issues there no?
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Laziness on Microsofts part, and I mean in terms of the reason they are giving as like you say there are probably legal issues, source code issues and numerous other techincal difficulties. Dont understand why they dont just explain it as it is.
 
McManicMan said:
i'm your internet stalker, and my point was valid
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I don't give a crap if your point was valid or not, someone else posted the same that I did, yet you chose to comment on my post, as usual. Quite frankly you're really starting to **** me off with your childish little digs (along with another little toss bag on here who'll be feeling my wraith soon enough) If you really want things difficult between us then so be it, but you won't enjoy the ride.
 
JBeck said:
I don't give a crap if your point was valid or not, someone else posted the same that I did, yet you chose to comment on my post, as usual. Quite frankly you're really starting to **** me off with your childish little digs (along with another little toss bag on here who'll be feeling my wraith soon enough) If you really want things difficult between us then so be it, but you won't enjoy the ride.
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I really dont get why you are getting so agitated? You were the second person to post, and the first to mention the financial aspect.
 
roboffer said:
Laziness on Microsofts part, and I mean in terms of the reason they are giving as like you say there are probably legal issues, source code issues and numerous other techincal difficulties. Dont understand why they dont just explain it as it is.
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Did you read my post? I don't think they mean integrity in the way people immediately assume they do. I think they're talking about integrity of the game code, not gameplay.
 
at roboffer

thats why i commented, he always likes to makes sly digs on MS specific posts, he's one of the more crafty ones :), then he bleats on when someone picks him up on it and tries to make out he's all innocent.
 
Weebull said:
Did you read my post? I don't think they mean integrity in the way people immediately assume they do. I think they're talking about integrity of the game code, not gameplay.
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But achievements are Live based. So no game code would alter.

When you collect something in a game/do something in a game, It puts certain code into memory, that flags your dashboard/live and adds the achievement.
 
wannabedamned said:
But achievements are Live based. So no game code would alter.

When you collect something in a game/do something in a game, It puts certain code into memory, that flags your dashboard/live and adds the achievement.
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They're not Live based, you could do all of them without your Xbox ever being connected to Xbox Live.
 
I prefer that these games run true to the original version ,I get a finer appreciation for the games if I play them as they were intended to be. Call me a purist but its just the way I like my retro gaming.
 
Weebull said:
I think people might be misunderstanding what MS mean by "integrity" here. I don't think they're talking about the gameplay itself, rather the fact that opening up the program files to add stuff like achievements would probably intorduce all manner of possible bugs that would need to then be found and fixed. Achievements wouldn't be that easy to just add, because you'd need to make the older Xbox code understand the whole concept of the online 360 profiles and how to connect to them. That's not an easy task. Refactoing a bit of code, or recompiling it to work better on a pre-existing emulator is.
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Seems pretty clear what they mean by integrity. They want the games to be as exact a copy of the original as possible. I don't doubt that it could be difficult to add achievements, but they're not saying that's why they have left them out. A few here seem to be saying it for them, but MS didn't say it themselves.

From the excuse they have given, they wouldn't have added achievements even if it was a very simple thing to do. I just don't believe this, if it's something that would take up too much resources to be worth doing then they should just say so.

If they could have put the achievements in with a days work, they would have done it, which throws the whole line about preserving the integrity of the originals out of the window.
 
JBeck said:
I don't give a crap if your point was valid or not, someone else posted the same that I did, yet you chose to comment on my post, as usual. Quite frankly you're really starting to **** me off with your childish little digs (along with another little toss bag on here who'll be feeling my wraith soon enough) If you really want things difficult between us then so be it, but you won't enjoy the ride.
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I think this is why he quoted you, which is something I didn't say.
JBeck said:
'In order to preserve the integrity of the original gaming experience they provide'

What a pathetic excuse, this is just a money making excercise.
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JBeck said:
I don't give a crap if your point was valid or not, someone else posted the same that I did, yet you chose to comment on my post, as usual. Quite frankly you're really starting to **** me off with your childish little digs (along with another little toss bag on here who'll be feeling my wraith soon enough) If you really want things difficult between us then so be it, but you won't enjoy the ride.
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No they never, you were the one posting about money making, which he quoted and responded to with a valid point, no idea why you are reacting like a keyboard hardman though :o
 
I reckon they could sell, for example if they released KotoR in the weeks leading up to mass effect it would surely get a few sales, maybe they will release vice city before GTA IV?
 
wedgie said:
Seems pretty clear what they mean by integrity.
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Does it?

I've heard a lot of Microsoft programming spiel before, and "integrity", when referring to actual code integrity, sounds exactly like something they'd use. Integrity in my mind here is referring to stable, working, code. Unstable, broken, buggy code would have lost its integrity. That's my thinking of it. I might be wrong, but I wouldn't say it was obvious either way.

wannabedamned said:
But achievements are Live based. So no game code would alter.

When you collect something in a game/do something in a game, It puts certain code into memory, that flags your dashboard/live and adds the achievement.
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No offence, but I can tell you've never programmed a game before. How would the game code know to put that achievement flag into your memory if that code was created long before achievements were ever implemented, and you weren't going in and changing it? It just doesn't work like that.

Without access to the game code, there's no way of even knowing if someone has gotten to the end of said game, let alone whether they've picked up any particular items. You'd need to actually hack into it, and add various boolean or counting flags into the correct points, and then trawl through absolute tons of code to find the places in the game where those flags would be marked or added to. That's even assuming achievements are handle in a linear in-game fashion, which given the 360's multiple core business, is probably unlikely. So then you'd have to start introducing multiple-core processing into a single-core game, without it all going to hell. It really, really wouldn't be easy to do.
 
roboffer said:
I really dont get why you are getting so agitated?
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Because he constantly remarks on my posts in nearly every thread I post in and I'm sick of it. He's posting just to dig at me with no intention of debating the topic in hand.


McManicMan said:
at roboffer

thats why i commented, he always likes to makes sly digs on MS specific posts, he's one of the more crafty ones :), then he bleats on when someone picks him up on it and tries to make out he's all innocent.
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There was NOTHING sly about it, I aired my views PLAIN and CLEAR.

Metalface Mark said:
LOL at Jbeck, how to make a fool of yourself on an internet forum 101 :)
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I have already outlined why he's getting on my **** and with good reason, how is that making a fool of myself? Whatever, I couldn't care less about your opinion or your LOL's :)
 
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