Your bad driving encounters
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Someone needs to make sure ICOP has passed the age check to join these forums, funny how the posting style replicates the exact style of a member on pistonheads forums actually, and that person too is known for that childish commentary style.
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Why can't they both be in the wrong?
Because I watched the video and the police did nothing dangerous. Oh no, they didn’t indicate… the horror.
They got in front of a speeding car and flashed a “slow” sign while braking. That’s not a brake check, it’s a valid police tactic and intervention.
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Nothing subjective about it, and it is relevant as there is a good chance you were genuinely unknowingly going faster than you believed to be the case for whatever reason.
The calculations are based on tried and tested principles and while there is room for error with a video like this, potentially substantially so, there doesn't appear to be any issues with using the points of reference in the video with enough data to reasonably accurately place the vehicle at 2 points with a known distance and a clock progression which appears accurate and no indication the footage speed is out of sync with the clock.
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@mrk is it possible that the first traffic cop knew about an incident up ahead and was getting you to slow down in case it was still there? Can't think of anything else from the video, there's no temporary speed limit in place and we can't see your speed recorded on the video.
It is possible but then again satnav would have already indicated of an incident ahead even if it happened before I set off as is typical and once nearby it pops up a caution where I can say yes or no that the incident is still present, but there was none throughout that entire M6 > M42 > M40 connected stretch.
As said earlier, either a training exercise or the X driver got a little overzealous and was then put in place by the unmarked car who was witness to their driving.
If an emergency comes in then they will put the blue lights on and speed off to tend to that. They did not and continued at just above HGV speeds taking that final exit into Birmingham which is a fair indication that no such emergency was being called for. So my above conclusion still stands.
I know I wasn't speeding because
1: I know the speed I was doing
2: Google Nav never once made a speed camera alert which it does if you are speeding
I am concerned that this hasn't cemented into peoples minds already lol. It's also doubly concerning that when posting on forums like this that the automatic reaction is GUILTY and that there MUST be a reason the police did that rather than this is one of those cases where the police did something wrong, of which there is documented evidence of unlimited quantity on youtube etc. Which leads me to wonder what some of you are like on the roads...
I know I wasn't speeding because
1: I know the speed I was doing
2: Google Nav never once made a speed camera alert which it does if you are speeding
I am concerned that this hasn't cemented into peoples minds already lol. It's also doubly concerning that when posting on forums like this that the automatic reaction is GUILTY and that there MUST be a reason the police did that rather than this is one of those cases where the police did something wrong, of which there is documented evidence of unlimited quantity on youtube etc. Which leads me to wonder what some of you are like on the roads...
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Regardless of that the video does not appear to be unreliable in representing your speed (amongst other things the HGV appears to be going at the expected speed) and a good chance it is accurately showing that for whatever reason you were going faster than you thought, it would take the video to be very screwy for you to be doing 73 MPH or less so something is very off however much you bring up GPS or not getting a speed camera alert. That the video tends to suggest you were borderline for getting pulled for speed and the cop seemed to think so to I don't think is coincidence, even though there are bad cops who'll pull stuff like that.
EDIT: And the reason I brought it up in the first place is that you genuinely seem to believe you weren't doing a speed that would get that attention.
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I'm not quite sure how much clearer it can be made, the video is not a technical representation of actual speed regardless of how much analysis you do from 2 points etc. This is how wide angle lenses on video cameras work, everything "looks" much faster than it actually is especially when combined with encoding methods used by these sensors so the output looks fast and smooth. For example my camera records at 30fps only, you now know this because I've told you, but if you watched that without being told you would think it's at 60fps.
Sometimes these things just happen and it seems this was one of those times.
Sometimes these things just happen and it seems this was one of those times.
Absolutely nothing is based on looks and wide angle is irrelevant, 30 Vs 60 FPS doesn't make enough difference here when able to test over many seconds and enough distance. It is taking 2 frames, far enough apart in distance to eliminate any small errors in placing the vehicle physically which can be done using things like the position of markings on the road, where the clock has rolled over on a frame, minimising timer error, and referencing the on screen clock against real time. That then leaves the actual video speed being out of sync with the clock, which can be tested by comparing an expected value like the speed of the HGV to see if it shows any significant discrepancy.
It is purely based on the time taken to progress from point A to point B, things like the video looking fast and smooth doesn't come into it.
EDIT: As an aside if you look at the screenshot I put up I had the stats open so can see what FPS the video is rendering at.
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Did you pay attention to other replies or just hone in on what you wanted to see?
73 GPS could also be 70 actual, even Roff has mentioned GPS isn't always right, but GPS is still the most reliable, though depending on outside conditions, can be off either side. It's still more accurate than the actual car speedo though when at motorway speeds. Plus 3MPH isn't going to trigger anything on the motorway, not any speed camera, not any traffic car camera, nothing. Visually it won't even be discernible from 70MPH...
Again, are people genuinely being this sideways... Even after all this are still trying to pin the fault on the driver when evidently the video shows only one car doing something potentially dangerous.
The irony is at 3:17:45 in the video, you did the exact same move on another car. You barely overtook and moved across the front of them within two seconds.
We have:
Speeding in wet conditions
Cutting across lanes
Driving over chevrons
Cutting up other drivers
But yeah… the cop was the one doing dangerous driving. My god the lack of self awareness is amazing with some poor drivers.
We have:
Speeding in wet conditions
Cutting across lanes
Driving over chevrons
Cutting up other drivers
But yeah… the cop was the one doing dangerous driving. My god the lack of self awareness is amazing with some poor drivers.
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Are you really posting this legitimately or just trolling now? That lane change was with a constant speed, by the time I indicate and go back into lane the car i overtook is several car lengths behind me and I continue the same cruising speed. That is not what cutting in front is. Someone needs to take lessons again.
You are either trolling like on pistonheads threads assuming you are the same poster, or just a bit clueless.
Edit* Driving over chevrons, what??
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