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So many people saying the last few days that they are unwilling to fight for them for xyz pathetic reasons means it's basically inevitable we will eventually lose them. Pretty sad to think about really :/

Nope, when it comes to the crunch people won't have a choice in the matter, if the UK is at war what are they going to do, escape to Europe...............
 
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Been living in a relative dream state all our lives. Security, social security nets, amenities and opportunities.
Literally the greatest times economically to live, even if you're had a **** life you didn't die in the gutter 99% of us at least....
I'm a complete pussy, quote me plz, but I don't think the next war is against another nation with similar ideals and society structure.
It's against fundamentally different people be that through blind religious doctrination and or fascist regimes were freedoms we all value are unheard of....

That's why I'm joing the mobile infantry!
Do you want to know more?
 
I'm in my early 50's so wouldn't be called up if we went to war in say 10 years time, but could end up in the Home Front (Dad's Army) and would happily take up arms to defend my home.
However my two kids are in their early teens and would be at prime call up age to be cannon fodder if this happened, to that end I'd likely pre-empt any call up papers to the army and get them to voluntarily sign up for a 'safer' branch of the military.
My initial thoughts are Air Force with a focus on support roles.
 
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How would a war play out with nuclear superpowers? You can't use nuclear weapons as both sides have them so that leaves the option of conventional warfare but what happens when one side is nearly done, they still have the nuclear option to fall back on.

Lets say NATO forces defeat Russia and start to encroach on their borders, what is to stop them just using nuclear weapons anyway rather than accept defeat. Would Putin surrender or just take the world down with him? How do you reason with a mad man, would Hitler have shot himself if he had the big nuclear button as an option?

Russia needs to change from within, if Putin does call for a wider mobilisation hopefully the public will start to see sense and not accept being thrown in to the meat grinder.

As to conscription, I doubt many Ukrainians saw themselves being on the front line a few years ago. I think many will have a different answer when the reality is in front of them and that goes both ways.
 
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the way the current politicians are talking, you just need a pulse and not enough braincells to work out you are cannon fodder for one of their haio brained line our pockets schemes.

Joining the armed forces should be a vocation not a forced enterprise. Forced conscription just yields poor soldiers. Also if you were a professional soldier would you want someone who doesn't weant to be there watching your back when you get dropped into the action ? If people aren't feeling pride about their country and want to protect it the government should probably start asking themselves that question first.

Worked in both world wars, where normal men signed (forced) up so we could enjoy our peace and freedom.
 
How would a war play out with nuclear superpowers? You can't use nuclear weapons as both sides have them so that leaves the option of conventional warfare but what happens when one side is nearly done, they still have the nuclear option to fall back on.

Lets say NATO forces defeat Russia and start to encroach on their borders, what is to stop them just using nuclear weapons anyway rather than accept defeat. Would Putin surrender or just take the world down with him.

Russia needs to change from within, if Putin does call for a wider mobilisation hopefully the public will start to see sense and not accept being thrown in to the meat grinder.
Good point. Conventional warfare is futile between nuclear powers. Almost certainly what will happen is a continuation of different proxy wars around world while the big powers sabre rattle at each other.

Perhaps a bigger problem may be if someone in the future decides to remove our nuclear capability.
 
How would a war play out with nuclear superpowers? You can't use nuclear weapons as both sides have them so that leaves the option of conventional warfare but what happens when one side is nearly done, they still have the nuclear option to fall back on.

Lets say NATO forces defeat Russia and start to encroach on their borders, what is to stop them just using nuclear weapons anyway rather than accept defeat. Would Putin surrender or just take the world down with him? How do you reason with a mad man, would Hitler have shot himself if he had the big nuclear button as an option?

Russia needs to change from within, if Putin does call for a wider mobilisation hopefully the public will start to see sense and not accept being thrown in to the meat grinder.

As to conscription, I doubt many Ukrainians saw themselves being on the front line a few years ago. I think many will have a different answer when the reality is in front of them and that goes both ways.

Russian nuclear doctrine is pretty well established, as is the UK's. Both sides would use them if the state is at risk of collapsing or in retaliation to a nuclear strike.
 
How would a war play out with nuclear superpowers? You can't use nuclear weapons as both sides have them so that leaves the option of conventional warfare but what happens when one side is nearly done, they still have the nuclear option to fall back on.

Lets say NATO forces defeat Russia and start to encroach on their borders, what is to stop them just using nuclear weapons anyway rather than accept defeat. Would Putin surrender or just take the world down with him? How do you reason with a mad man, would Hitler have shot himself if he had the big nuclear button as an option?

Russia needs to change from within, if Putin does call for a wider mobilisation hopefully the public will start to see sense and not accept being thrown in to the meat grinder.

As to conscription, I doubt many Ukrainians saw themselves being on the front line a few years ago. I think many will have a different answer when the reality is in front of them and that goes both ways.
just the bolded piece..............

but its ok for Brits not to see sense and accept being thrown into the meat grinder for similar nefarious reasons ????? just asking like.................
 
I just don’t see ‘why’ Russia would want to attack literally the whole of Europe. Like, what is in it for them?? Not to mention the protection afforded to us from the USA. It’s pointless.
Its not, its about Russia invading former soviet territories like the Baltic states Putin was sabre rattling by making a visit to Kaliningrad the russian enclave in europe this week deliberately flying close to the former state's airspace. If he goes for those NATO will in theory at anyrate get drafted to to support those states and if the recent attacks in Yemen are anything to go by we would be in the front rank of troops sent. Our politicians won't let us do anything else UN security member etc, etc. They won't be going themselves of course.
 
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just the bolded piece..............

but its ok for Brits not to see sense and accept being thrown into the meat grinder for similar nefarious reasons ????? just asking like.................
I get your point but it's different as Russia is the aggressor. If it came to conscription in this country then we would be at the point of last resort defence.

As the Ukrainians have shown, defending your home is one hell of a motivator.
 
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But one way or another, no one wants to fight for their family, their friends, their home, or their liberty.

It shouldn't be remotely surprising the majority doesn't want to fight. it's not a character flaw, indeed it's a good thing that on the whole we would choose peace when we can.

what matters isn't that people don't want to fight, but that when there's no alternative they do what needs to be done, when it needs to be done.

it's been a long time since that's been tested on the national scale, so this thread is basically the blind accusing the blind of being unable to see.
 
Why do you assume everyone has a family or a home?

Marriage is at an all time low among young people and generation rent is a thing. Breaking down the concept of home ownership, marriage and raising a family has severe consequences. These things have been the pillars of our society for thousands of years and we're now heading deeply into uncharted territory.

The problem with that argument is that the last two times we had conscription introduced life in the UK was a lot worse than it is now.

I mean in 1916 the standard of living was **** for most people. There was little in the way of a welfare state and no NHS. Old-age pensions were only available to people who were over 70 and deemed to be of "good character" (few lived that long). Also, most working class people could not afford their homes and had to rent. If they couldn't afford to feed, clothe themselves or pay rent then they ended up in Workhouses. If you were one of the "deserving poor" in a Workhouse they would give you an easy job but otherwise it was hard labour.

Things were a bit better in 1939. They had abolished workhouses in 1930 and had a more generous unemployment benefits scheme, but there was still no NHS.

Life in this country is a lot better than in Russia or China, so I don't really get the logic of not being ready to fight for Britain in a defensive war against either of those two rogue nations.
 
I can't remember the exact figures, but for every allied front line combat infantryman in WW2 there was something like 7 people behind them (logistics, mechanics, technicians, armourers, engineers, planners, traffic control, trainers, intelligence etc).

To put a huge number of solders on the ground anywhere (let alone equipping them sufficiently) will require an absolutely herculean effort from any western country. The propaganda machine will need to whip the public into a frenzy if governments want the level of support they'll need.

Any war that goes to total forces in Europe will be absolutely insane, and if Russia think they will loose they will go nuclear.

I guess being a conciencous objector is always an option for anyone fit enough to fight who doesn't want to do it - but the stigma attached once the public get behind the fight would be tough.
 
So many posters talking seriously about WWIII who insisted WWIIII was unthinkable 5 years ago.

If the British Army needed clowns, we'd be unstoppable.
 
I can't remember the exact figures, but for every allied front line combat infantryman in WW2 there was something like 7 people behind them (logistics, mechanics, technicians, armourers, engineers, planners, traffic control, trainers, intelligence etc).

To put a huge number of solders on the ground anywhere (let alone equipping them sufficiently) will require an absolutely herculean effort from any western country. The propaganda machine will need to whip the public into a frenzy if governments want the level of support they'll need.

Any war that goes to total forces in Europe will be absolutely insane, and if Russia think they will loose they will go nuclear.

I guess being a conciencous objector is always an option for anyone fit enough to fight who doesn't want to do it - but the stigma attached once the public get behind the fight would be tough.
I'm not sure a critical mass would "get behind the fight" at all, today. How many of us are at all patriotic? We all have the internets now and it's a global world. Well, that works both ways. People don't view the UK as any better than any other place, and certainly many of us don't want to fight and die for a flag.

And most of us view our current ruling class with nothing but well-deserved contempt.
 
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