My wife’s brothers - one did service and the other didn’t have to. The one with service is calm and collected, the one without had a problem with authority anyway.
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My wife’s brothers - one did service and the other didn’t have to. The one with service is calm and collected, the one without had a problem with authority anyway.
I honestly can't see any circumstance where having a Dad's army type situation helps in any way.
Conventional only we're not needed.
Nuclear we're all dead, and the planet mostly rendered uninhabitable.
So... what's the point? Under what circumstances would it make any difference to have a "citizen army"?
Sounds more like a thinly veiled recruitment drive to me. There was an article just this morning about the US struggling to recruit for their army. I guess stoking up a bit of fear might help with that.
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**** me, that’s the most right wing post I’ve ever read
Yeah I was going to say 41 posts and doing well..**** me, that’s the most right wing post I’ve ever read
However it’s better to have them here - a mixed population is better for gorilla warfare.
One thing about the late 2020s - we’re all going to be expert at balancing spinning plates of jobs, soldiering, and deciphering political noise.
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Thing is we don't need a huge professional force in this day and age but if we cut it back too far that just invites trouble - better and more affordable to have a focussed professional force and the ability to surge it if necessary - as much as a deterrent as anything.
Tanking on reputation, which is increasingly what we are doing, only works so far if someone is crazy or clever enough to test it.
I think something a lot of people aren't appreciating is that the current situation is showing Russia they less and less need to play by the West's rules, have less and less to lose by staying on a war footing and have more and more chance against the West if they can out endure us and that makes for a dangerous situation, unless anything changes we are heading for the worst of the Cold War again, a security nightmare on Europe's border and likely an arms race and there is no substitute to man power in that situation, without it you look weak which encourages those against you towards action.
There is the possibility we sleep on the threat giving Russia time to rebuild to where they pose a real threat before we start responding to it. Russia has spent a lot of time and resources with intent in recent years around Europe towards the ends of being able to sabotage infrastructure (pipelines, etc.), building "secret" bases in strategic locations to facilitate military action (as have been found in Finland for example), infiltrating or attempting to get people sympathetic to them to positions of power in countries, plans for seizing key locations which they've actually practised such as the mass "tourist" visits to Gotland by members of Russian secret services (GRU, etc.). It isn't being done just for fun, it doesn't signal some imminent or inevitable military campaign against Europe but it does indicate the direction of travel in the mindset of those in power in Russia.
EDIT: People might laugh but I was involved a bit in what was essentially NATO vs Russia in Eve Online played out over several years and 1000s of players, they got far further than they should have because people were like nah they won't do X it makes no sense but then they went and did it and people were unprepared for it - even when all the signs were coming, but it made a different kind of sense to the average Russian mindset. Seen the same thing play out in the build up to the Ukraine war, seeing the same thing playing out now.
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Can you imagine if we had a home guard and Ian Lavender joined up 
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They don't like it up 'em.
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At the end of the day we’re all doomed!
Literally 0 incentive to sign up. I passed my weapons handling test during OTC but quickly realised what a load of rubbish the whole thing was, and half the people who invaded us would have an excellent point and justification to do so.
This country is lost and has been looted already, zero global power, a laughing stock. I'm going to go the USA at some point I think.
You really think the US is in any better state?
The WEST is lost. The enemy isn't at the gate, it's at our table telling us when we can eat. Allowed in via the great trojan horse that is multiculturism...
Someone call Sigourney Weaver if we’re having Gorilla warfare!
Really not surprised to see the apathy in some posts. Social cohesion is going down the toilet in many parts of the country so it’s going to be a hard sell where that’s a problem!
Playing fallout IRL won’t be fun either, especially without the plasma guns and other cool stuff.
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Best get a poll going and find out where the nation stands 
I've seen women (and I use the term loosely) out round here they'd scare even the most battle hardened veteran to the core with their exotic combination of attire, charm, wit and looks.
I am the enemy within telling you when you can eat. Do as you are told.
Best get a poll going and find out where the nation stands
That show was absolute genius, as relevant now as it was all those years ago :s
I'd imagine how it has almost always been:
Penal military unit - Wikipedia
Generally the worst offenders i.e. you wouldn't trust with a loaded gun under any circumstances end up doing forced labour, those who are generally considered less terrible end up on the frontlines often in units made up of like people.
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I do think 1 year of national service is a good thing however. It did me a world of good and definitely contributed to my confidence, resilience and self belief. Not because of national pride or anything like that (pointless endeavour that is!) But camaraderie, team work, resilience, and learning new skills etc...
Since we're in a flight of fancy thread, my belief is that in time war and power become a thing of the past. I'll settle for just war being gone - however I appreciate the irony of it as fighting is something humans seem to want to do (heck I do it for a hobby!).