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Burned_Alive said:
Engine Braking is a lot harder on the clutch :confused:
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I might have used the wrong word/term here :o

Instead of slipping the clutch so the car doesnt jerk if you can heal toe drive you can take your foot off the clutch because the revs are matched up all good and it wont jerk because you changed down a gear and just taken your foot off the clutch :)
 
Burned_Alive said:
Engine Braking is a lot harder on the clutch :confused:
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It isn't once you've Heel & Toe'd and then engaged the clutch.

There's very little slip when you engage the clutch after a H&T movement.

And engine braking on it's own doesn't affect the clutch one bit, it's the rough engagement of the clutch with revs too low that skims the clutch.

That's why people H&T.
 
merlin said:
It isn't once you've Heel & Toe'd and then engaged the clutch.

There's very little slip when you engage the clutch after a H&T movement.

And engine braking on it's own doesn't affect the clutch one bit, it's the rough engagement of the clutch with revs too low that skims the clutch.

That's why people H&T.
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Thanks for explaining it clearer then i could :)
 
Thats not really engine braking though is it, thats double declutching, you're braking with the brakes through H&T. Engine Braking wears the clutch.

Correct me if im wrong
 
A heel toe down change is most appropriate when you are making quicker progress as it allows you to match the engine revs to the gear your changing down to without unsettling the car. It is a technique that needs to be learned and I use it quite a lot if I am making quicker progress and all the time on a track as it puts less stress on the clutch and gearbox when moving quickly. It reduces 'bulking' in the down change and smoothes out the driving experience.
 
Due to the lack of miles im doing at the moment I can see some bad habbits coming in. Like keeping my hand on the gear stick not the steering wheel.
 
merlin said:
You are wrong. :p

We keep getting this misunderstanding here & I've no idea why. :confused:
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I said correct me, what was wrong with what i said?

H&T/DDC isnt really engine braking is it? Because you're using the brakes to slow down. :confused:
 
I can't parallel park for love nor money. Actually i might be able to do it i have no idea, i've only had to do it once!

Err, i don't really adjust braking distances for wet much, and i probably do tailgate a bit thinking about it. I also get very easily worked up over other road users being plain incompetent.
 
housemaster said:
A heel toe down change is most appropriate when you are making quicker progress as it allows you to match the engine revs to the gear your changing down to without unsettling the car. It is a technique that needs to be learned and I use it quite a lot if I am making quicker progress and all the time on a track as it puts less stress on the clutch and gearbox when moving quickly. It reduces 'bulking' in the down change and smoothes out the driving experience.
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& Engine mount friendly too.
 
Burned_Alive said:
Thats not really engine braking though is it, thats double declutching, you're braking with the brakes through H&T. Engine Braking wears the clutch.

Correct me if im wrong
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Changing down to a lower gear will slow the car down. That is engine braking :)

The clutch is just used for selecting the gear and getting it in smoothly with can be done 2 ways that i know of. Heal Toe or Slipping. Heal toe is much more smoother and friendly then slipping :)
 
Burned_Alive said:
I said correct me, what was wrong with what i said?

H&T/DDC isnt really engine braking is it? Because you're using the brakes to slow down. :confused:
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Sit tight, I'm trying to dig out an old explanation for you.
 
Zip said:
Changing down to a lower gear will slow the car down. That is engine braking :)
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Obviously, except with heel and toe, you're supposed to slow down with the brakes whilst blipping the accelerator to match the revs of the engine with the gearbox, no engine braking takes place surely?

Or at least minimal, normal engine braking wears the clutch.

And before we drift off course, Zip did say engine braking, which is what i was referring to.
 
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Burned_Alive said:
I said correct me, what was wrong with what i said?

H&T/DDC isnt really engine braking is it? Because you're using the brakes to slow down. :confused:
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You are using both the Engine and the Brakes to slow you down :)

Just because you are applying the brakes it doesnt mean the engine isnt slowing you down aswell. You dont need to apply the brakes as hard either :D
 
I don't really know how to drift. I've got the understanding but no experience.

AND, I've always wanted to do that thing you can do with 4WD cars where they sort of pivot on the inside front wheel and donut round and round.

Tried it when it was icey last year and almost went though someones garage :eek:

Put me off a 2nd attempt. :D
 
I really need to stop trying to get one over on much faster cars by foxy manoeuvering at junctions and roundabouts, deliberately choosing the wrong but open lane so I can just scoot in front of them, I know it winds them right up and I really should stop doing it, but it's just so damn funny and I can't help myself! :D
 
Burned_Alive said:
Obviously, except with heel and toe, you're supposed to slow down with the brakes whilst blipping the accelerator to match the revs of the engine with the gearbox, no engine braking takes place surely?

Or at least minimal, normal engine braking wears the clutch.
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Once Blipping the accelerator to match the revs dueing the gear change you take you foot off and the engine will start to slow you done.
The blipping is just to make it a smoother change and you dont really need to rev it that hard either :)
 
Hehe the famous double declutching/toe heel argument ...
Double declutching, as far as I know, isn't needed *at all* (ie it gives no benefits) with synromesh'd gears.
Toe heeling, however, is a technique that can be used to reduce clutch wear and help car balance when cornering hard (ie provides a smoother slowing down experience!).

As for my driving, after driving a 1.4 auto corsa for nearly 3 years, Im now in a 2.0 TDCi Mondeo (manual) so I'm in some dire need of some gear/clutch skills at the moment. I've just started to play with blipping the accelerator whilst changing down so next on the list is to do that whilst braking (ie Toe Heeling!) - I hope the pedals allow me.
 
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