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VincentHanna said:
Germany wasn't socialist! You are being wilfully ignorant about the Nazi party because you heard the full name was: National Socialist German Workers

They were as right-wing as it gets.
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No, what i understand it that for socialist control to work you have to be nationalist, if you cannot control your population you cannot have socialism, every socialist in existence is self contained with a nationalistic wall around it, decanters are expelled and silenced, that in the end is how you get to the atrocities that all socialist experiments end in. Some far worse than others.

They all started with good intentions, including Hitler.
 
dowie said:
On the other hand they weren't exactly capitalists
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They were absolutely capitalists. Read this article. Here's a teaser:

In the mid-1930s, the Nazi regime transferred public ownership to the private sector. In doing so, they went against the mainstream trends in western capitalistic countries, none of which systematically reprivatized firms during the 1930s.
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either - there were owners sure, but the government tells them what to produce, what wages to pay etc.. etc..
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No.

The common factor with regards to genocide seems to be authoritarian regimes
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Yes.
 
and now it becomes a semantics argument, along with a posts not adding anything to discussion but simply telling the poster he's stupid...

I'll declare in advance that I'm not a libertarian and so don't agree with all of the below nor would I claim the Nazis were socialist (though they certainly had socialist elements within the party - albeit some of them got killed on a certain night!) but it might help understand why people make these arguments, it isn't necessarily because they're stupid, though it seems that people get triggered in the same way whenever this stuff appears and can't then have a discussion:

https://mises.org/library/myth-nazi-capitalism

The Soviets were able to brand the Nazis as capitalists only because they had already started redefining the terms “socialism” and “communism” to fit their own political agenda. In 1912, Lenin formed his Communist Party. The members of his party, the Bolsheviks, were now distinct from the other, rival groups of socialists. The terms “communism” and “socialism” were still able to be used interchangeably, and the Soviet Union itself was just a shorthand name for the “United Soviet Socialist Republics.” But by branding his group under the title of the “Communist Party,” the title “Communist” — now meaning a member of Lenin’s party — became a way of saying that this was a “true socialist,” so to speak.
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There are no fundamental differences between Socialism and Communism, Lenin based his vision on Karl Marx, as did even Hitler, the trouble is once you go down that road you have to become nationalist to protect it, its not that socialism is nationalist, it is its inevitable outcome.
 
Evangelion said:
No.
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and here is a teaser from the link above

German socialism, as Mises defines it, differs from what he called “socialism of the Russian pattern” in that “it, seemingly and nominally, maintains private ownership of the means of production, entrepreneurship, and market exchange.” However, this is only a superficial system of private ownership because through a complete system of economic intervention and control, the entrepreneurial function of the property owners is completely controlled by the State. By this, Mises means that shop owners do not speculate about future events for the purpose of allocating resources in the pursuit of profits. Just like in the Soviet Union, this entrepreneurial speculation and resource allocation is done by a single entity, the State, and economic calculation is thus impossible.

“In Nazi Germany,” Mises tells us, the property owners “were called shop managers or Betriebsführer. The government tells these seeming entrepreneurs what and how to produce, at what prices and from whom to buy, at what prices and to whom to sell. The government decrees at what wages labourers should work, and to whom and under what terms the capitalists should entrust their funds. Market exchange is but a sham. As all prices, wages and interest rates are fixed by the authority, they are prices, wages and interest rates in appearance only; in fact they are merely quantitative terms in the authoritarian orders determining each citizen’s income, consumption and standard of living. The authority, not the consumers, directs production. The central board of production management is supreme; all citizens are nothing else but civil servants. This is socialism with the outward appearance of capitalism. Some labels of the capitalistic market economy are retained, but they signify here something entirely different from what they mean in the market economy.”
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VincentHanna said:
Hitler, who declared Karl Marx to be his ideological enemy and burnt all his books - "based his vision on Karl Marx"

Where do you get this chuff?
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Marx was a German Jew. as was Einstein, doesn't mean the nazies didn't propagate his science, they did, in a big way.

Lunatics can appear hypocritical, they are just lunatics.
 
Germany was literally a Nationalist Socialist government, they nationalised industry, taxed citizens and used it to fund social programs. They were a socialist country, although obviously very authoritarian with various inhumane and racist policies which later culminated into slave labour and mass killings.
 
Here's the 2018 version of the axis. Looking back over the thread, a lot of results make far more sense now!

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Skunkworks said:
Here's the 2018 version of the axis. Looking back over the thread, a lot of results make far more sense now!

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You would have the feminist up in shrills with that, it suggests Woman are Neurotic and Emotional while Men are Pragmatic and Logical, i'm not saying its wrong, just saying its not PC :D
 
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