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tom_e said:
I assume by user generated what most people mean is it's not financed by YT in the same way Netflix/Disney/TV networks actively pay for the production of series/movies.
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TV is more than Star Wars shows too. For example, take car content. It has pretty much gone from normal television now, even the Grand Tour has finished. If you want to watch car stuff it's all YouTube. Throttle House, Donut, Might Car Mods, Hagety, Straight Pipes, Auto Alex etc etc etc. The production for some of the shows or episodes are excellent, Hagety being the prime example. It's so much better than whatever Channel 5 was doing with their car stuff when they were doing car shows.

Sure, YouTube will not give you something like the Marvel Cinematic Universe, but it fill SO much that is missing or good from television these days.
 
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Raymond Lin said:
TV is more than Star Wars shows too. For example, take car content. It has pretty much gone from normal television now, even the Grand Tour has finished. If you want to watch car stuff it's all YouTube. Throttle House, Donut, Might Car Mods, Hagety, Straight Pipes, Auto Alex etc etc etc. The production for some of the shows or episodes are excellent, Hagety being the prime example. It's so much better than whatever Channel 5 was doing with their car stuff when they were doing car shows.

Sure, YouTube will not give you something like the Marvel Cinematic Universe, but it fill SO much that is missing or good from television these days.
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Yes but none of it is financed by YT i.e. if it's a complete flop and no one watches it then it's cost YT nothing other than the storage space.

It's "user" generated in hope that they can then monetise it through YT or other avenues once it's built a following on there.
 
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Guess what. Don't like it then don't pay or watch it. You obviously watch it because you're either being entertained or learning something.

You get it for free with ads. Take it or leave it.

It's a business YouTube have built a up and there's not another service comparable. They can charge what they like as it's past time service, not life support.
 
tom_e said:
Yes but none of it is financed by YT i.e. if it's a complete flop and no one watches it then it's cost YT nothing other than the storage space.

It's "user" generated in hope that they can then monetise it through YT or other avenues once it's built a following on there.
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What does it matter to me how they are getting paid? or how YouTube is funded???

How I pay for my cinema ticket, how much of that ticket money is split between the distributor/studio/actor/director/script writer etc is no different to me to how the YT premium money is getting divided to YT to pay its staff and to pay for the content creator.

What he is saying I think is that he doesn't want to pay for a "low production" cat video, which is not what YouTube is anymore.
 
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Raymond Lin said:
What does it matter to me how they are getting paid? or how YouTube is funded???

How I pay for my cinema ticket, how much of that ticket money is split between the distributor/studio/actor/director/script writer etc is no different to me to how the YT premium money is getting divided to YT to pay its staff and to pay for the content creator.

What he is saying I think is that he doesn't want to pay for a "low production" cat video, which is not what YouTube is anymore.
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Well you appeared to be pointing out that it's full of high production value/cost content these days in response to someone saying why should they pay so much for content effectively provided to YT for free by its users (whether they are one guy in their bedroom or a professional production company). In comparison to more traditional setups where the people providing the content and charging for it generally have a hand in financing it as well and therefore you may be able to argue a higher cost for those services is justified.

If that's not what you were getting at then no worries, no need for us to get worked up about it.
 
tom_e said:
Well you appeared to be pointing out that it's full of high production value/cost content these days in response to someone saying why should they pay so much for content effectively provided to YT for free by its users (whether they are one guy in their bedroom or a professional production company). In comparison to more traditional setups where the people providing the content and charging for it generally have a hand in financing it as well and therefore you may be able to argue a higher cost for those services is justified.

If that's not what you were getting at then no worries, no need for us to get worked up about it.
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That's not what I am saying. He is suggesting that it is all "user", note the SINGULAR, no s on user, and the use of the word "user". I am disputing that and gave you lots of examples where YouTube is full of channels where there is a full team of people making content such as Sky Sports, Sky Sports is neither singular person or a "user". I am also not implying that there are no cat videos or channels where it is made by a single person, as I gave the argument that in some topic, such as movie critic....what does it matter if it is on those channels?

In the end, time passes by all the same, it does not matter to me who or how many people or the budget behind it as long as it is good.
 
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Didn't realise I was going to get an English lesson here as well :D

I don't disagree with what you're saying, just giving another view point on why people may feel it's expensive considering it's now similar in price to the big streaming services.
 
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tom_e said:
Didn't realise I was going to get an English lesson here as well :D

I don't disagree with what you're saying, just giving another view point on why people may feel it's expensive considering it's now similar in price to the big streaming services.
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Side point, I don't think a lot of people don't realise the potential and what is actually on YouTube.

It is a place where if you have a topic, you can REALLY go down a rabbit hole, there is SO much to learn on there. This week I was looking to get a travel router....i spent a whole day watching reviews on which one to get. Sure I could read a forum post but a video gives so much more information. The size of the product, shows what comes in the box, shows the control panel portal etc.

One time I spent an entire evening watching maths videos on game theory after watching something on Veritasium.

I also use it as a "how to" source. If I want to learn how to do something it's the first place l look. How to open up the keyfob for my car? YouTube. How to change the valve in my Gaggia Classic? YouTube. How to beat this boss in a game? YouTube.
 
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Raymond Lin said:
Side point, I don't think a lot of people don't realise the potential and what is actually on YouTube.

It is a place where if you have a topic, you can REALLY go down a rabbit hole, there is SO much to learn, and yup, learn, on there. This week I was looking to get a travel router....i spent a whole day watching reviews on which one to get. Sure I could read a forum post but a video gives so much more information. The size of the product, shows what comes in the box, shows the control panel portal etc.

One time I spent an entire evening watching maths videos on game theory after watching something on Veritasium.

I also use it as a "how to" source. If I want to learn how to do something it's the first place l look. How to open up the keyfob for my car? YouTube. How to change the valve in my Gaggia Classic? YouTube. How to beat this boss in a game? YouTube.
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Again I don't disagree I use it in very similar ways and it's saved my backside on a number of occasions when I've been elbow deep in greasy bike parts trying to figure something out. I ended up watching washer dryer reviews before ordering our new one last week, peak middle age achievement unlocked :o
 
I think people forget, or don't care, about the YouTube music that comes with it. If you cancel your Spotify/apple music, this only costs a couple of quid more than those services.

I don't really need a music service so I'm paying for the video side only, and listening to a small amount of music, just cos it's included.


rp2000
 
I have paid for premium in the past, but don't now.
Tbh it just annoys me more than it should how expensive it is in the Uk compared to other countries.
Aren't we the 2nd most expensive country in the world for premium?
Why?
The UK really is treasure island for a lot of companies.
 
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rp2000 said:
I think people forget, or don't care, about the YouTube music that comes with it. If you cancel your Spotify/apple music, this only costs a couple of quid more than those services.

I don't really need a music service so I'm paying for the video side only, and listening to a small amount of music, just cos it's included.
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Yes, it's an ok deal if you want YouTube music but YouTube Music itself isn't that good. It doesn't have podcasts or the music discoverability of Spotify and the lossless audio of Apple Music.
 
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smokedog said:
Yes, it's an ok deal if you want YouTube music but YouTube Music itself isn't that good. It doesn't have podcasts or the music discoverability of Spotify and the lossless audio of Apple Music.
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I had to install and start using PocketCasts for podcasts :D Youtube Music is terrible for podcasts! I was happy with my google podcasts before they shut that down and promised a good migrated experience with youtube music and failed to deliver!


rp2000
 
Raymond Lin said:
This week I was looking to get a travel router....i spent a whole day watching reviews on which one to get. Sure I could read a forum post but a video gives so much more information. The size of the product, shows what comes in the box, shows the control panel portal etc.
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Gl.iNet Slate AX :p

Travels with me for work, works brilliantly in the office, plug my external drive in and it's a media server and the control panel is fantastic and easy to use.

I make extensive use of the repeater function for networks I connect it to and its not skipped a beat.

The included ad blocker when switched on makes webpages, forums and news sites incredibly clean.

(Sorry, doesn't block youtube ads)

Wifi 6 and easy setup vpns are a bonus too. Sure you could buy some small box for cheaper, load on some software and work it out. But this works out the box right away.

Go find a video :D
 
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Raymond Lin said:
Side point, I don't think a lot of people don't realise the potential and what is actually on YouTube.

It is a place where if you have a topic, you can REALLY go down a rabbit hole, there is SO much to learn on there. This week I was looking to get a travel router....i spent a whole day watching reviews on which one to get. Sure I could read a forum post but a video gives so much more information. The size of the product, shows what comes in the box, shows the control panel portal etc.

One time I spent an entire evening watching maths videos on game theory after watching something on Veritasium.

I also use it as a "how to" source. If I want to learn how to do something it's the first place l look. How to open up the keyfob for my car? YouTube. How to change the valve in my Gaggia Classic? YouTube. How to beat this boss in a game? YouTube.
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This completely.
I watch more YouTube than TV, it is my initial go to resource for most things.
My last rabbit hole was smelting, and I've found some great vids on circuit board design and modern cartography as well. There is a whole bunch of really talented photographers on there as well, the ones that actually take photo's rather than just review gear.
It really is an amazing source of info.
I've never listened to a podcast, keep meaning to but have never got around to it, probably because I don't use Spotify. YouTube music is Ok, but my needs rarely stray outside of DnB or Jungle so results will be different for anyone else.
For me, the subscription fee is worth every penny
 
They really need to stop the ads which kick off when you are trying to pause (slightly different to the pause screen ads)... I get that with the mix of content these days detecting user interaction and inserting an ad as appropriate is necessary but when it goes against what the user is trying to do that should be a no-no and is going to push people to trying to block ads.
 
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Participant said:
I get so much value out of YouTube Premium + music family for all four of us, but I have noticed an increasing trend of embedded adverts from providers.
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Premium subscriber here. I do find it annoying that's it not just the adverts from Youtube themselves, but sponsorship, embedded advert or adverts for merchandise etc. On top of Patron, or links to their own premium content (i.e LTT and their Floatplane platform). It does get to be too much sometimes.
 
LTT plug for their march and platform isn't too bad, it's very short. But some creators would do like a 2min segment pushing anything from glasses to AG1, yes, damn AG1 or any of stuff. They have a massive incentive though, the so call discount codes they give you, it's not just a discount, it is a commission code. Everyone who uses it, they get a commission. So they have twice the financial incentive to push those codes, they got paid for the segment and also want you to actually buy them.

Some of those videos have time segments so easily skipped, some will put a little timer bar at the top so if you skip, you can see how long is left to make it easier.
 
FISHGUTS said:
I have paid for premium in the past, but don't now.
Tbh it just annoys me more than it should how expensive it is in the Uk compared to other countries.
Aren't we the 2nd most expensive country in the world for premium?
Why?
The UK really is treasure island for a lot of companies.
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This is pure speculation from me but I expect it will be partly because of the CPMs Google is able to get from the adverts they would otherwise place on the platform in the U.K. and USA. The bigger that ‘opportunity cost’ the more they need to charge to make the same profit or more. Having English as your native language also has its downsides.

If you disable YouTube premium and go abroad, somewhere like Turkey, all you get is adverts for low rent mobile games, many look and sound AI generated.

In the U.K. you get bespoke adverts with high production values from tier 1 brands, the sort of thing you’d see on ‘proper’ TV.

YouTube premium isn’t cheap, but it’s not bad value and I don’t find YouTube music any worse than Spotify in reality.
 
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